• Nalivai@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    You certainly did not. I chose to assume you just aren’t paying attention enough, and just talk to whatever you think people are saying to you instead or actually reading the text. Otherwise that will mean the level of literacy we’re working with is below zero, and I refuse to assume that, because in this case what are we even doing here.

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      4 days ago

      You said he “gave people access to healthcare” I agreed.

      What else is there to engage with in your comment?

      Assist me in understanding.

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        4 days ago

        Wait, seriously? Like, seriously, you’re not joking? You really can’t get the point from the original comment? You have read it and that was your understanding? Be honest, if not with me than with yourself, did you really read it, or just pretended to read and now digging your heels?

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              3 days ago

              Your point was that he got people health care coverage that otherwise wouldn’t have been covered. I agreed with that point.

              My point is that his presidency led us to trump.

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                    If it makes you feel any better I’m lost as well since the points they made in their attempted speech is just incorrect.

                    From 2000 through 2008, majorities ranging from 54% to 69% believed the federal government should ensure universal coverage in the U.S. (link)

                    The rest is bizarre word ramblings, “he achieved something that nobody thought possible”, “his legacy will be dismantled”.

                    It’s kinda interesting, like he’s specifically blaming you for hurting Obama’s reputation and the country at large… Not that people in charge should be held accountable or have some sort of standard for what they campaign for. I’m happy for the people who benefited from ACA, but plenty people still don’t and I imagine a lot of people don’t realize you are fined if you’re uninsured because of the act. Reminds me of being penalized for being homeless.

                    In other words, unless the insurance premiums exceed 8 percent of your income, you’re a religious objector, a taxpayer with income below the tax-filing threshold, or a member of an Indian tribe, you’re required to have insurance. That is, unless you’d rather pay the penalty, which is enforced through the tax code system.

                    It’s that same fucking shtick with the whole student loan debacle. Keep the current profit generating system in place and pass laws and subsidies to help prop it up and stay as lucrative as possible. Any actual awareness or targeting of the greed is completely swept under the rug, so it’s hard for me to get excited about this one step forward-two steps back bullshit. Especially when there’s already so many perfectly acceptable examples around the world to learn and develop functional systems from.

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                    3 days ago

                    I mean, it was one-sided conversation from the beginning. And only you had the power to change it, all this time.