• FrowingFostek@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Your point was that he got people health care coverage that otherwise wouldn’t have been covered. I agreed with that point.

    My point is that his presidency led us to trump.

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          If it makes you feel any better I’m lost as well since the points they made in their attempted speech is just incorrect.

          From 2000 through 2008, majorities ranging from 54% to 69% believed the federal government should ensure universal coverage in the U.S. (link)

          The rest is bizarre word ramblings, “he achieved something that nobody thought possible”, “his legacy will be dismantled”.

          It’s kinda interesting, like he’s specifically blaming you for hurting Obama’s reputation and the country at large… Not that people in charge should be held accountable or have some sort of standard for what they campaign for. I’m happy for the people who benefited from ACA, but plenty people still don’t and I imagine a lot of people don’t realize you are fined if you’re uninsured because of the act. Reminds me of being penalized for being homeless.

          In other words, unless the insurance premiums exceed 8 percent of your income, you’re a religious objector, a taxpayer with income below the tax-filing threshold, or a member of an Indian tribe, you’re required to have insurance. That is, unless you’d rather pay the penalty, which is enforced through the tax code system.

          It’s that same fucking shtick with the whole student loan debacle. Keep the current profit generating system in place and pass laws and subsidies to help prop it up and stay as lucrative as possible. Any actual awareness or targeting of the greed is completely swept under the rug, so it’s hard for me to get excited about this one step forward-two steps back bullshit. Especially when there’s already so many perfectly acceptable examples around the world to learn and develop functional systems from.

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          I mean, it was one-sided conversation from the beginning. And only you had the power to change it, all this time.

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              At this point it’s not even funny. Do you do this with every conversations in your life, or did I get lucky? Do you understand the theory of mind? Do you understand that you actually need to listen to the person when you talk, and not just invent what you feel they might say, and then argue with that for some reason?

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                You got lucky. I’m understanding how vacuous your argument is and, it’s making me curious if you have any beliefs.

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                  Oh, you’re lucky too, I made a comment in the beginning of the conversation that could satisfy your curiosity. Granted, it requires to read the whole paragraph of text, so you may never know what I actually mean