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In Australia we call it a long black. I think it’s a great name and wish it would catch on across the pond.
Oh we call that a BBC but I’m told it’s confusing to the folks across the other pond (the real pond)
Bold Black Canadiano? I’m pretty sure that’s what it is.
Big-hearted actually, not bold
The difference is the order: long black has water on the bottom, espresso on top. Canadiano is the opposite.
Long black’s better because it preserves the crema better (it doesn’t get murdered by pouring the water on top)
I mean an Americano is just watered down espresso and AFAIK was coined to make fun of the Americans.
But what does that say about yourself when that’s apparently the kind of coffee you want?
Means you had (likely) cruddy coffee that was normalized for you since a young age, probably with loads of sugar and or milk/cream to boot.
Just the normal cycle for most people tbh.
The comfort of the known combined with an underdeveloped palette is what makes it attractive to a lot of people
It often changes and evolves with time as you grow older, kind of like when you try foods that you hated as a kid only to discover they’re really good.
Granted that only happens if you explore and experiment, otherwise you never really grow out of it
Pretty snooty outlook on coffee, especially considering that café au lait, cappuccino etc. exist.
Coffee snobs are the most hilarious variety of snob.
It’s the sincerity of the nonsense that really sets them apart.
Obviously, everyone is entitled to enjoy the drinks they like, but at least in Canada where I am from, Tim Horton’s reigns supreme, and before I started drinking my coffee black I drank their coffee all the time, but as soon as I took all the sugar and cream out of it I realized it was frankly pretty terrible.
I think that’s what Whitebrow is referring to (not even Tim’s specifically, just lower tier coffees from such chains) I also see Folgers, and Maxwell House get consumed a lot here, and I find those particular brands to be fairly low quality as well.
A Cappuccino made correctly with espresso is quite delicious, but that’s a very different beverage from brewed coffee with a lot of cream and sugar.
A well-made americano tastes great without cream and sugar, too. When Tim Horton makes a bad americano that doesn’t mean that americano is a bad drink, it means that Tim Horton makes a bad product.
Timmies coffee used to be better back in the day, but then they changed suppliers and since then it just tastes like somebody forgot it in the oven for a few hours too many.
That kinda sounds like Starbucks …
I think you missed the point.
If you never tried cafe au lait, cappuccino and others, you’d never know if you liked them or not and wouldn’t seek them out or bother to experiment with the other drinks.
Has nothing to do with being snooty, and has everything to do with sticking to the things you know and tried as opposed to going out of your way to try and discover new things.
Point is some people never go out and explore new flavours at the risk of not liking something.
Seems to be right. Not that the making fun of was accurate, but if you have a bunch of toxic men who think espresso puts hair on your chest, seeing folks drink drip coffee is probably embarrassing even though it’s objectively got more caffeine and a completely distinct flavor.
Americano is not (supposed to be) drip coffee, it’s a shot of espresso with added hot water.
Reread what I said
If it helps, assume I know what I’m talking about. That should steer you straight.
I don’t know if it was so much “Make fun of” as the sentiment was “They can’t handle it” similar to how certain cultures eat relatively spicy food tease those who can’t handle it. I don’t have direct evidence for that part, and my source was a friend of mine who was a foreign exchange student from France who explained it to me as such.
Right that’s the toxic masculinity/hair on your chest aspect. Espresso is in general easier on your stomach than drip and it’s certainly easier to drink (worst case it’s a shot). So even though the driver was toxic masculinity, as per usual that toxicity wasn’t even valid.
Ironically in the middle of being toxic the Europeans invented something called an Americano that Americans don’t drink, doesnt have the rich flavors of what it’s making fun of, has less caffeine than what it’s making fun of, and is actually harder to drink (because of the shit flavor) than the thing it waters down. It’s a massive dumb backfire driven by toxic masculinity from the romance states.
Freedomlandian here, keep it up. I’m so fucking ashamed of my country. If someone gets butthurt about petty stuff like this, good.
I’ll back you up: This likely upsets the right (in both senses of the word) people. This and all the upside-down merch. Keep going you glorious-and-upset-yet-polite people north of the border.
PS: please keep sending maple syrup, and thank you.
PS: please keep sending maple syrup, and thank you.
It’ll have a tariff, and if things ever go back to normal and the tariff is removed the price will not go down again
If you see anyone get upset about this, just tell them “freedom fries” and walk away.
It was stupid with the freedom fries and it’s still stupid today
Except freedom fries was over morons being upset France that didnt invade another country.
This is people upset over America being an awful country.
A Canadiano sounds pretty good rn what’s in it
Americano sweetened with maple syrup. And if that’s not a thing it should be.
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It’s funny and the Americans being salty about this one, when their country is becoming more and more fascist every day, are even funnier. Get mad about real important things, not this 😂
Those Americans need to look in a mirror first, with their “freedom fries”, because France decided not to back them in their needless war in Iraq.
The last bit of this song always takes with me whenever I hear that phrase…
Freedom fries and burns and scars Liberator goes too far Freedom fries and screams and yells The promised land is a promised hell — Robert Plant from the album Mighty Rearranger
We No Speak Americano. © 2010 Sweat It Out is a Sydney-based record label started by the late and great AJAX
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exactly
Writing as a fan of the americano, I think we should just call it what it is. After all, what’s more american than taking something good and watering it down?
Alternatively we could call it the italiano since that’s where it originated. Or “café à l’eau” perhaps, what’s more Canadian than randomly adding french. Calling it “canadiano” feels too “freedom fries” to me.
“Canadese” is “Canadian” in italian, so that would also change compared to Americano (American in Italian)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffè_americano#Origin
That said, why not Canadiano. Sometimes you want more and a litttle hydration in there. It’s hard to sip an espresso for more than a couple of minutes.
Agree it feels kind of “freedom fries”-ey but remember that freedom fries were a US republiQan idiocy in a pathetic attempt to mock the French for being too smart to get balls-deep in the Iraq II war. No one but complete koolaid-drinking Qanuts say ‘freedom fries’ now because (a) the French were correct anyway and (b) fries are Belgian.
In that sense, this is probably better and has a chance of sticking.
Because a Canadiano is a much stronger, beefed-up caffeinated beverage — coffee with two shots of espresso. Let’s just call an Americano what is is — snowflake fuel.
It’s not the same situation as freedom fries at all, but it has the same sort of cringe feel to me. Just like french fries, the americano isn’t really american. We’re not ‘sticking it’ to anyone here, so it rubs me the wrong way a little. I hardly have a strong opinion on it though.
I feel that. Thanks for sharing.
Wait, so does it refer to American as in USA or belonging to the western hemisphere? I’m asking this as someone who doesn’t live in the Americas and don’t drink coffee at all and didn’t know the term before reading this post.
It refers to the US (American) servicemen stationed in Italy during WWII.
According to the link in my parent comment, I quoted in my first comment, it doesn’t but what do I know
There is a popular belief that the name has its origins in World War II when American G.I.s in Italy diluted espresso with hot water to approximate the coffee to which they were accustomed.[9] However, the Oxford English Dictionary cites the term as a borrowing from Central American Spanish café americano, a derisive term for mild coffee dating to the middle of the 1950s.
Yeah but 1950s > WWII so
Bonus points: what was the lemon peel for?
Yeah but 1950s > WWII so
Just looked up Google Ngrams to see if I’m right and I am. “Caffè americano” took off in Italian much later than “Café americano” in Spanish. That people think it was used in Italy in WWII doesn’t mean that is was.
I suppose if Google is the authority and “taking off” means . . what, 1980? Then yeah.
I don’t agree, but that’s okay too.
Lungho Nero?
It should be left Americano. It’s called that because Americans couldn’t handle the stronger coffee or espresso and wanted it watered down. Weak. “Americano” is kinda insulting by itself. But whatever works for you.
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Ya, the term was more descriptive than pejorative.
I used to look down on the Americano, but as I got older I realized sometimes I’m more in the mood for one than espresso or a milky drink.
It’s the same amount of coffee, just in lower concentration. You can also sip on it longer before you run out.
just drink filter coffee
At home I do but a lot of places that have great espresso make awful, neglected, drip coffee.
“Go to better places” yeah whatever
Sometimes those cheap less than perfect places are the best place around
It’s not just the product, it’s the atmosphere that matters too
Sometimes the different taste profile is nice
Why? What’s wrong with espresso based drinks?
an americano is supposed to be a facsimile of filter coffee.
It doesn’t really taste like filter coffee though. It tastes like mellowed-out espresso, which is nice sometimes
This one is ironic because the macho-mindset of needing to be STRONG and therefor only consuming hard stuff is realy American interpretation of manhood in itself.
Ya, the macho-mindset is what was offered when joes asked for the rations they were used to, not the other way around and not unique.
Surprising that anyone would want to take ownership of the Americano
I like them :(. They’re very similar to coffee but a bit stronger
yeah, it’s one of my favourite coffees. I like perc-brewed black coffee already, americano has all the, uh, “perks” of it but also the richer flavour of an espresso. So good.
I’ve never met someone who prefers percolators, nice.
It’s time for the percolator.
Dunno if I’d say I prefer perc coffee but I have a really good quality moccamaster that makes very fine perc, it’s great. I never got behind the French press superiority arguments, I find it tends to bring out the acidity in the roasts i prefer. I do love a good watered down espresso though, probably more than perc cup-for-cup, but i couldn’t drink four of them over the day
Does moccamaster make percolators too? I’ve only seen their filter coffee makers.
Oh, that might be regional terminology. Drip coffee makers are called percolators where i live, but I see from google that the terms aren’t always synonyms
Stronger?
I think it’s because most people don’t put as much coffee in the filter as they should and they end up making a weak coffee.
I thought the same thing … I thought Americano was basically just an espresso with a lot of water added to it
One of the reasons why I enjoyed espressos and why a lot of Europeans preferred it was due to the fact that it makes you pee less … same hit of caffeine but no need to go pee every half an hour.
I will sometimes have a pot of coffee a day at home and every time I do, I end up heading to the toilet to pee just about every hour. I really should just switch to espressos but my wife prefers the drip stuff.
If the espresso isn’t making you pee, you might just be dehydrated. Caffeine is a diuretic, so it’s going to make you lose some water.
The espresso will still make you pee … just less often because there is less liquid to pee out … if you drink two or three cups of liquid, you’re more likely and more often will be going to the toilet.
If you drink an espresso, you got the hit of caffeine but there is less liquid in the system to want to flush out.
I spent several holidays in the south of Spain and they have about ten different types and amounts and concentrations of espresso. A Spanish breakfast is basically just an espresso and maybe a pastry because they want to be able to work all morning without a toilet break interrupting them. I learned early on from Spanish people that you can just drink an espresso and then go walking around a city for an hour or two without a break for anything for the toilet or even to eat because you’re so hopped up on caffeine (it acts as a hunger suppressant as well).
The opposite of that is Americano. I work in a bit of construction and renovation and before going to Europe, I’d fill myself with drip coffee and go to work … work for about an hour then have to take pee breaks. Nothing worse than being on top of a roof with all your gear, in middle of a ton of work and you have to head down to pee … only to do it again and again (it’s the main reason why you will often see construction workers peeing in a corner on the lawn or just out a window or into a gravel pit or use piss jugs around the job site).
Now I drink an espresso or two if I plan on working at a site for a few hours.
The espresso will still make you pee … just less often because there is less liquid to pee out … if you drink two or three cups of liquid, you’re more likely and more often will be going to the toilet.
You just explained dehydration bro
Caffeine isn’t a true diuretic the way alcohol is. It doesn’t dehydrate your body. But it still makes you pee because it irritates your bladder, causing you to pee out whatever was in there.
I thought Americano was basically just an espresso with a lot of water added to it
I think they mean it’s like a regular “instant” coffee but stronger, rather than like an espresso but “weaker”.
This took me a second to process. Is filter coffee “coffee” in north America?
More or less, yes. Decades ago, the dominant kind in the US was perk (percolated) but that fell by the wayside1. The only time it makes sense to order an Americano by name here is at a coffee bar where it’s wise to specify how you want your cup made.
1. Honestly, it’s a tad more eco-friendly but many coffees are just not to people’s tastes like this - you get a very bitter cup this way.
It’s not to say they can’t be delicious and can certainly be nicer than a lot of preparations if it is rooted in a nice espresso shot.
However, the origin story is that American GIs couldn’t handle espresso and made Italians water it down to make it more like “coffee back home”, hence the name.
I’d imagine an authentic Canadiano would at least have some cheese curds in it.
A canadiano is actually a cup of drip coffee with two espresso shots
I could’ve sworn that was a redeye
Yes, but one shot.
What desperate soul invented this, I hope they’re doing better now, wherever they are
Considering that Finns drink far more coffee than Italians, it might have something to do with living close to the pole. Those dark winters are brutal and the long light in the summer isn’t exactly great for sleep quality, either.
Ugh.
while I support Canada boycotting the US, you have to admit this in particular is “freedom fries” tier patriotism. it was embarrassing then, and it is embarrassing now.
If politicians are pushing this particular change, it would be a bit cringe imo but I chuckled when I saw it.
Agreed that it would definitely be much worse, and maybe I wouldn’t have found it as cringe if I hadn’t seen the push for “Freedom Fries” back in the day.
Yeah, no. If you didn’t support their pointless wars back then, they would call you a traitor. Fuck me for not wanting my friends to die.
You could not support their wars, and also not stoop to their level of pettiness.
I don’t understand what this has to do with anything I said.
The “freedom fries” 20 years ago occurred because France did not want to support our stupid middle eastern wars. That spawned the stupid movement to stop calling them French fries. If you were not pro-war in the US in the early 2000’s, a lot of people would suggest you were unpatriotic.
That is why they said. Because you brought it up.
I know what Freedom Fries is. That’s why I brought it up. I don’t understand how that’s relevant to my comment that calling Americano Canadiano is dumb.
Except back then the US was the aggressor, and now the US is the aggressor. I wouldn’t equivocate “you don’t want to blindly follow me into a pointless war” to “you’re targeting me in a trade war”
My point is that neither name change actually sends either message. They’re both weak and pointless, literally inconsequential and completely self contained. Imagine the French being … hurt? annoyed? … that some fuckwits on the other side of the world don’t call fries French Fries… as if they gave a shit before. Same here.
Depends. Tongue in cheek it’s pretty funny.
I would agree if this was Mexico doing it as a response to the gulf thing… then it would have made some sense in context.
I’ll take one Mexicano please. /s
Have you not heard about the tariffs and threats of annexation from Trump?
Yes. Please refer to my original comment, once again, clearly in support of boycotting the US in actually meaningful ways. I say this would be more understandable coming from Mexico because then it would be a jab, against the US unilaterally trying to rename the Gulf of Mexico, so it would make sense to rename something named after America(ns) in return.
“Oh, you did tariffs and threatening annexation, I shall no longer call this coffee Americano” just doesn’t follow logically. And compared to the threat it is the weakest, lamest, most pathetic form of protest imaginable. That’s my point.
You are being too literal.
A better analogy is to say that it’s as lame as Freedom Fries, but it being aimed at the country that re-labeled the French Fry, so that makes it ironic and much funnier.
We changed the nane of a product because you haven’t joined us wilding an unjustified war on brown people
vs.
We changed the name of a product because you waged an unjustified trade war against us for no reason, even tough we have been your closest alley.
Not the same.
You understand how despite the differences in justification, someone can find both examples cringe, right?
I didn’t question motivations. I already said I support boycotting the US. this is not a method of protest that does anything. it’s lame and stupid. Americano is not even American, nor is it Canadian. it’s just dumb. it’s like saying you remember watching Canadian Pie as a teen.
I didn’t say it isn’t. i said it’s not American, as in it doesn’t come from the US.
Americano is not even American
I mean that’s a pretty specific phrasing.
I said it’s not American, as in it doesn’t come from the US.
Those are not the same things, but i know what you mean now, so thanks.
chuckles and sips Brazilian cafézinho
