“…illegal protest…”?
Oh right, the US Constitution doesn’t exist any more.
You are not wrong. The Supreme Court finding presidential immunity and then allowing an insurrectionist to run in contravention of the 14th amendment seems to have finally put the old document to rest.
Next time an american speaks about “muh first amendment”, “USA only free speech country in the world” bullshit, show them this
The problem is it cuts both ways. The Democrats saying they want hate speech to not be protected and Nazi propaganda to be censored is just the flipside of the same coin.
Either you have free speech or you don’t
Either you have free speech or you don’t
Lots of countries have free speech with limits on it. It’s not uncommon and doesn’t mean Citizens don’t have freedom of speech.
For example:
If it has a limit, it’s not free
If I can’t do a Nazi salute, then I can’t say “I want to shoot Donald Trump in the face”
If it has a limit, it’s not free
“Free bread sticks”
“I’ll take 100”
“Um… No. You can’t have that many.”
“iF tHeRe’S a LiMiT iT’s NoT fReE!”
So should there be any penalty for lying under oath?
Free speech isn’t intended to supercede criminal law. Advocating for hurting people is a crime. If they want to do it and have it be covered as “free speech”, they need to start by changing the law.
Ill do whatever the fuck I want bitch, shut the fuck up and go suck Elons dick.
go suck Elons dick.
that would be the fifth time today, give them a break
Last time I checked, people had a right to peaceful assembly and to protest.
Check again
Well that’s easy. The protests aren’t illegal. Therefore this amounts to nothing.
Fuck this dude.
Hey Muricans, this is what you wanted and voted for (or could’t be bother voting to prevent)… enjoy
or, hit the streets and remove the fascist gov you elected
I feel like the overlap of fediverse users and trump voters is close to 0
Yeah but there are a bunch of “I’m going to not vote to ‘send a message’! who cares if that makes the nazis win?” types
Nazis would have won either way
I wonder how many of those were Russian bots
I don’t think Lemmy was really big enough to have THAT many bots. And at least of the ones I saw, if they were bots they’re doing an incredibly good job of making them blend, since many had a history of generally normal commenting before that time, and have continued posting normally since.
That’s very true. Bots once/twice removed? Like bots influencing the people posting here?
I can’t imagine you get to that conclusion alone
Previously I thought almost all of them were, but then I found out that someone I’ve known for years hold that view. Any mention that maybe voting for the democrats would be a good idea results in an angry speech about genocide; which somehow (I’m not sure how) even has them lean towards Trump.
I appreciate the staunch opposition to genocide. But its kind of weird to see someone take a single issue so strongly to heart that their reasoning ends up inverted such that the candidate they favour is worse even on their one issue.
Yeah, that’s totally fair. I mean, I guess it’s just a bot once removed, bots influencing your friend to swing to fascism
The DNC are Nazis that just focus on different issues
We all know opinions are like assholes, but this one wasn’t even wiped
The lesser of two evils is still evil
You need an actual opposition party then. Blaming non voters is the dumbest thing you can fucking do and will make your situation worse and worse
The opposition party could obviously be better, but I think they were strong enough that “no preference” wasn’t the right choice. (After all, choosing not to vote is essentially a vote that says “I don’t care who wins”.)
Right, because the people who voted against trump are the ones that can–in a single election–dismantle and oppressive two party system crafted by an oligarchy feeding people the illusion of choice so they won’t riot. Of course the few of us who understand this and actually voted for the candidate with the best shot are able to do this. And of course we should have done this before all of the mass voter fraud being uncovered could lead to Trump taking an office he didn’t actually win. You’re absolutely right. Let me call everyone up and let them know we need to regroup.
You have no opposition party in America, your two party system also is a huge problem. In this way fascism will always win.
Exactly. And you have people like me who refused to vote for Democrats because while they might not be as horrible as Donald Trump, there is still too much wrong with them for me to support them. I get called a Tankie bot whether I don’t vote or I vote third-party so fuck the DNC
Correct. This is a major problem. The point is that it wasn’t made by the people, and the few of us who understand how problematic it is can’t simply make a new party and have it be successful. That doesn’t fix the two party system. America is a shit show, but some of us are doing what we can, and that isn’t enough but that’s not our faults.
Exactly, so why are you blaming people if its not our faults? You are the one debating in defense of blaming people, voters, and non voters alike.
I try not to let perfect be the enemy of good, but I do my bit to make them feel unwelcome.
Honestly I’m just scared. I tried the civil way and voted and protested and went to marches and told everyone I knew. But now I’m just scared, it seems like the only option left is action of a violent nature and I don’t know if I’m mentally prepared to throw my life away in prison or dead to try and stop the fascism. I know I have guns and if it tries to take me from my home I won’t go down quietly, but I’m just scared to make the first move only to end up a martyr.
Boy, you really told those rednecks who have no idea how to use the internet outside of Facebook! I’ll bet they won’t make that mistake again!
Mask up. Leave your phones at home. Break shit.
You heard the man, fire any employee and expel any student who participated in the January 6 insurrection.
Its crazy us colleges get federal funding after asking like 6 digit tuition feom students.
the tuition is largely from federal loans.
Sure sounds like an easy way to make a lot of money from a lawsuit for a student or students.
Illegal protests? Isn’t protesting legal? Freedom of speech and all that…
Full on free speech is dead if this is the norm, fuck them keep up the protests
Is the President trying to tell private institutions who they can do business with?
Why I never!
The amount of times I’ve heard salty right wing grifters complain about Orwellian censorship on literally everything. But I guess it’s just fine if cult leader Trump does it, because he stands for what’s right and sticks it to those progressive plebs, right?
He didn’t win by being consistent. Hypocrisy is WHY people voted for him. They thought he was the only one who would “do the hard things” by being cruel to the people who are hurting everyone. That’s the narrative at least, and while you can literally write libraries on the flaws, inconsistencies and logical discrepancies in Trump and the Republican narratives, the fact remains that most people are vulnerable to storylines.
Not moral flaws. Not character. Not record or experience. The only thing people largely, as a group, care about is JUST how someone makes them feel in that moment. And a lot of poorly educated, mentally unwell people saw and heard Trump lying to the people they believe were the cause of all our woes, and that’s why they voted for him.
If we ever want another democracy that works, we have to understand that our population is genetically and physically identical to the beings who were clubbing each other’s heads in during ten thousand years of ice age glaciers and primitive hardship. We survived those times by forming tight-knight groups and telling ourselves stories for how to survive. We’re doing the same things right now, but someone else is guiding those stories. Either we stop the storytellers or we make better stories that people will want to repeat. Those are our only options.
Either we stop the storytellers or we make better stories that people will want to repeat.
We do have better stories: the stories or class conflict and workers solidarity. It’s just that the people in power would rather fascists win than let those stories reach the people that need to hear them.
If the stories aren’t working, they’re not better.
“Better” here is going to be a highly loaded word, and revolves a lot around what results you’re seeking. Humans connect with stories that connect with their feelings, it’s how they got exploited to get us here. Decades of people signing away their own rights in service of stories that momentarily scared them, and here we are in the culmination of all these tiny stories and resulting policies that have been made to steer people to this place and time.
You can’t just tell people now “Trump is the bad guy, trans people aren’t threatening us, we have to help Ukraine, the wealthy elite are our real enemies.”
It doesn’t matter if the story is true, that story doesn’t move people. It’s just lecturing to the toddler-mind that makes up the bulk of our population. You can’t make the people better. We HAVE to abandon this idea that everyone wants to “do the right thing” on some level. No we fucking don’t. People want to feel validated. Not even feel good, that’s less important to people than feeling heard and validated. Our stories need to make individuals feel something, individuals who view everything outside of their immediate sphere of awareness as abstractions and theory, not reality. You can’t make these people feel sympathy or care for others, so we have to make them feel something else.
It’s just them wanting to a) be right (when it’s usually not the case) and 2) the other viewpoint to be silent immediately. They fuckin love censorship because first amendment only applies to them and theirs.
Man, I wish this country still had the balls to deal with traitors the way they’re supposed to be dealt with.
