• Tja@programming.dev
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    20 hours ago

    So we went from “no, trump would never do that” to “Harris would have done it anyway”?

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      20 hours ago

      So we went from “no, trump would never do that”

      Did anyone around here actually say that?

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        20 hours ago

        Yes, I saw it frequently from people who supported trump and Ukraine before the election.

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            19 hours ago

            Hold on, I’m looking through my paper work i keep every comment in now. Just a sec

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                  19 hours ago

                  There’s nothing dense about recognizing when someone’s lying about their political opponents’ beliefs to make them look bad. What, do you expect people to just take your word on it? 🤣

                  I guess you’re used to circlejerking and not getting called on lies so long as they’re about the outgroup.

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            19 hours ago

            Look at Jake Broe channel before the election, as it also has many pro Ukraine trump supporters. He even mentioned multiple times about those claims.

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              19 hours ago

              Allow me to reiterate: Did anyone around here actually say that?

              I have no doubt you can find people saying whatever on other platforms, but it’s not really relevant if nobody here agrees with them.

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        I surely didn’t. I don’t know what they think Harris would have done. Ukraine was not making progress with the help Biden was giving them and Harris did not indicate that she would change anything in regards to her policy on Ukraine from Biden. So this deal was inevitable unless there was a dramatic increase of what Harris or other western countries were prepared to give them, which I see no evidence that they would have done this.

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          19 hours ago

          You’re assuming Harris would be doung the same thing Trump is doing.

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          19 hours ago

          As I always say, “If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they’re lying.”

          I’ve also consistently held a similar position. It’s hard to imagine the conflict going on another 4 years (or a sudden and complete turnaround) regardless of who got elected.

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              18 hours ago

              Verifying claims is just due diligence, treating requests for evidence as “being a weird debate bro” is a good way to wind up in a circlejerk completely divorced from reality.

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            19 hours ago

            Do you always say that? What posts, comments, and replies did you say that in?