• OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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    20 hours ago

    So we went from “no, trump would never do that”

    Did anyone around here actually say that?

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      20 hours ago

      Yes, I saw it frequently from people who supported trump and Ukraine before the election.

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          19 hours ago

          Hold on, I’m looking through my paper work i keep every comment in now. Just a sec

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                19 hours ago

                There’s nothing dense about recognizing when someone’s lying about their political opponents’ beliefs to make them look bad. What, do you expect people to just take your word on it? 🤣

                I guess you’re used to circlejerking and not getting called on lies so long as they’re about the outgroup.

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                    19 hours ago

                    So we went from “no, trump would never do that”

                    This is the statement that you’re defending. You weren’t creative enough to come up with it on your own, but you’re standing by it all the same.

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          19 hours ago

          Look at Jake Broe channel before the election, as it also has many pro Ukraine trump supporters. He even mentioned multiple times about those claims.

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            19 hours ago

            Allow me to reiterate: Did anyone around here actually say that?

            I have no doubt you can find people saying whatever on other platforms, but it’s not really relevant if nobody here agrees with them.

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      I surely didn’t. I don’t know what they think Harris would have done. Ukraine was not making progress with the help Biden was giving them and Harris did not indicate that she would change anything in regards to her policy on Ukraine from Biden. So this deal was inevitable unless there was a dramatic increase of what Harris or other western countries were prepared to give them, which I see no evidence that they would have done this.

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        You’re assuming Harris would be doung the same thing Trump is doing.

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        As I always say, “If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they’re lying.”

        I’ve also consistently held a similar position. It’s hard to imagine the conflict going on another 4 years (or a sudden and complete turnaround) regardless of who got elected.

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            19 hours ago

            Verifying claims is just due diligence, treating requests for evidence as “being a weird debate bro” is a good way to wind up in a circlejerk completely divorced from reality.

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          19 hours ago

          Do you always say that? What posts, comments, and replies did you say that in?

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              I don’t see you always saying it though. Yet that’s what you claim. Where are all of the times you’ve always said it?

              Honestly if you didn’t link to every single comment you’ve ever made, i don’t know how we can trust you.

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                  No. You promised you always say something. I want the same proof you demand from other people.

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                    “All the time” means “frequently,” not “literally every comment.” You know that just like everyone else. These are the tactics you’re forced to resort to since you’ve been caught in a lie.