• Rooty@lemmy.world
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    So a poorly made electric vehicle by one manufacturer means that the entire field is non-viable?

    EDIT: Lmao, check out this guy’s posts, every single comment is shitting on battery EVs and shilling hydrogen vehicles. I don’t know how much you’re being paid to shill for the fossil fuel industry, but I hope it’s enough.

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      Lmao, check out this guy’s posts, every single comment is shitting on battery EVs and shilling hydrogen vehicles. I don’t know how much you’re being paid to shill for the fossil fuel industry, but I hope it’s enough.

      How many people are shilling for the BEV industry or Tesla? It is the biggest greenwashing scam of our time. Someone has to say something. You have reality reversed. It’s the pro-BEV people that are shills.

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      All BEVs from everyone will have the same issues.

      EDIT: Lying to yourself will not change reality. A BEV will never be a low-resource type of vehicles. It is a matter of when, not if, it falls apart as an idea.

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          Explain to me how a car with a $20,000 battery can ever avoid a repair job of $20,000 once the battery dies? This is a problem that everyone will face.

          And in America, the land of SUVs and pick-up trucks, these costs will be even higher.

          EDIT: You won’t change economics by lying to yourself. BEVs are simply not viable. At least, not anything with a big battery.

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            This isn’t about the battery dying. It’s about Tesla failing miserably at building a water resistant enclosure for their batteries, them pretending that it’s somehow the customers fault.

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              It’s both about the shittiness of Tesla, and the eventually doom of all BEVs. If you think companies like Ford or VW won’t be building shit BEVs too, then I have a bridge to sell to you.

              EDIT: Again, no amount of lying to yourself or others will save the BEV. It is doomed and always will be. If anything, you are just delaying real solutions to climate change.

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                  Joe Biden just announced a huge pro-hydrogen program? Is he paid off or insane?

                  It’s time to ask yourself honestly: Why do you oppose green technology that happens to not be your favored technology? Perhaps you can reach a realization here.

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                    Because hydrogen isn’t as green as you might think.

                    Most ways of creating hydrogen involve toxic chemicals that pollute almost as much as ICE cars.

                    And the green ways of creating it lose about 30% of the energy put into it. Energy that could have been used to … charge a battery directly.

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            Explain to me how a car with a $20,000 battery can ever avoid a repair job of $20,000 once the battery dies?

            It is quite easy.

            A battery like that lasts longer than the car. It may not have done in the past, but it does do so today.

            And if it breaks before then, you only need to replace a single cell to fix it.

            Afterwards, you can just recycle and reuse those exotic metals used in its construction, so it doesn’t require more pollution to create.

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              Much of that is wishful thinking. All batteries will die, and the repair cost will be insane. Not to mention it all applies to FCEVs and at a much lower cost and lower resource base.

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            It’s not one giant battery, but arrays of smaller batteries. At least that has been my experience with them. Battery goes bad and you replace that array. Not 20k but closer to 2k.

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        Lying to yourself will not change reality. A cellphone will never be a low-resource type of communication. It is a matter of when, not if, it falls apart as an idea.

        Lying to yourself will not change reality. A personal computer will never be a low-resource type of device. It is a matter of when, not if, it falls apart as an idea.

        That is you, that is how deranged you sound.

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          A cellphone is not a car. Nor is a personal computer.

          A BEV has fundamental problems that cannot be solved. It’s worth noting that they are an older idea than combustion cars. It is in many ways, totally obsolete.

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            Funny, cause an combustion car has a lot bigger issues that can not be fixed and need to be addressed right now.

            Which shares the same problems with hydrogen cars, btw.

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              FCEVs don’t have the problem of combustion cars. It is the natural follow-up to them.