• @Excrubulent@slrpnk.net
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    Wasn’t like… a huge deal made about how the Teslas are so waterproof they could double as a boat? I mean they can in fact ford much deeper than ICE cars because they don’t need air, but also there’s definitely tweets about this.

    Edit: he said it about both the cybertruck - loads of stories about this - and the model S: https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a21421/elon-musk-model-s-boat/

    This is entirely separate of course from the much more basic issue that a car that breaks because of some fucking precipitation is not fit for purpose and this damage report would be indefensible just about anywhere in the world. Precedent for manufacturers taking responsibility for bad products was first established in Britain centuries ago.

    • Krotiuz
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      And not to mention it was water ingress into the bloody batteries, they’re lucky (or maybe unlucky in this case) that the car didn’t burn down from the Lithium…

      • @Excrubulent@slrpnk.net
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        Yeah… that’s the one part you need to waterproof, more even than the passenger cabin. Everything else except the ECU is water-agnostic. Those battery cells will discharge and die if you leave them submerged. The pack itself is fine for short spells under water if it is properly made.

    • @takeda@lemmy.world
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      This is not as easy, I mean they’re are some things that makes it easier than ICE, but electronical components also cannot get wet and those big boats run on fossil fuel after all.

      But what’s ridiculous is that rain could damage it (from article doesn’t sound like car was flooded, as that would be understandable).

      Yesterday I saw comment: imagine that the typical home printer was your car. That’s the experience of typical Tesla owner.

      This seems to match the article.

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        Except most BEVs absolutely can ford shallow rivers. They’re better at it than ICE cars because of the intake issue.

        And the electronics on any vehicle needs to be water proof too. Although I’ve seen an iffroad tesla mod where they actually said that opening holes in the bottom of the ECU waterproofing was essential to allow water to flow out, rather than sealing it up completely like Tesla had done. That was the problem that killed their first motherboard in that project.

        Also note there’s a difference between electronics and electrics. The electric motors dgaf about water, they work flooded or dry. The logic circuits are the really vulnerable part.

      • @EatATaco@lemm.ee
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        Yesterday I saw comment: imagine that the typical home printer was your car. That’s the experience of typical Tesla owner.

        Can you expand? I live in a wealthy liberal area, the cross section of people who want to show their wealth with fancy cars and also want to virtue signal that they care about the environment, so there are a bunch of Teslas around here. I also have a few close friends and family that have them. I’ve heard overwhelmingly good things about the cars from these people. All of the complaints have been minor quibbles.

        • @ryathal@sh.itjust.works
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          Tesla owners down play it, but basically every study/survey agrees that Tesla has terrible reliability. It’s not just the electric car parts, it’s everything. You can call it minor that door handles stick, or windows break, loss of power steering, leaking moon roofs, touch screens being non-responsive, and more.

          • @HughJanus@lemmy.ml
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            Those studies usually fail to account for the ease of service with Tesla. You can schedule service from the app and most of the time they will send a mobile technician to you at home or at work or wherever you want to service the vehicle, so people are more likely to schedule appointments for minor issues.

      • Rikudou_SageA
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        Well, what if I never had a problem with a printer? I realize I might be just lucky, but I never got the fuss about broken printers.

        Now if we’re talking 3D printer, yeah, that shit needs constant repair.

        Edit: Holy shit dudes, never expected to get into the negative score for stating objective facts. Get help, pretty please.

        • @Norodix@lemmy.world
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          3D printers have obvious and fixable defects. When they break you can see the broken part, you can diagnose and fix it. Regular printers are just fuck you machines.

            • @EatATaco@lemm.ee
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              I’ve had my brother printer for around 10 years now with no problems. Assuming they are still made the same, I highly recommend them.

              • @takeda@lemmy.world
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                Brother as far as I know produces only office printers. Most people that complain about printers talk about those home inkjet printers that they bundle with PCs.

                Kind of side note. 20 years ago I remember buying PC at best buy. It came with Canon (I think) printer. I told them that I didn’t want it, saying that I already had a printer at home going to get lower price. After the sales guy removed it, the price was actually higher. They apparently were paying them to include it.

                • @EatATaco@lemm.ee
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                  Pretty sure my brother is a home printer. It’s bulky, for sure, but that’s probably part of the reason why it has lasted so long. But yeah, I get what those people are complaining about. I bought a brother specifically because everyone always complains about crappy printers, so I looked up which one wasn’t crappy and paid the premium to have something I wouldn’t soon need to replace.

    • Hypx
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      All BEVs will have similar problems. The battery pack is huge and cannot come into contact with water.

      • @Excrubulent@slrpnk.net
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        The battery pack is supposed to be watertight because that is an expected hazard for an outdoor vehicle. It absolutely can come in contact with water, which apart from some minor corrosion and discharge over time due to electrolysis, should not in the short term damage it. The ability to ford shallow rivers is absolutely normal in most BEVs.

        • Hypx
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          The problem is that it just slung underneath the car, exposed to whatever is beneath the car. You can try making it watertight, but water will eventually get it in wetter climates. That will be the problem of all BEVs with giant batteries.

          • @nicetomeetyouIMVEGAN
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            It’s not “just slung”… The battery fulfills multiple functions as it is part of the chassis. And nobody is “trying” to make it watertight, it is literally engineered that way. We have made things weatersealed since forever, hell even cars just standing outside in wet cold climates won’t get wet inside even after decades. Yet we can’t make a rigid part of a chassis watertight? You’re grasping at straws brother. You have to crash before water gets in.

          • @Excrubulent@slrpnk.net
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            Grind Hard Plumbing did an offroad Tesla mod where their BEV expert suggested part of the problem was waterproofing everything completely, rather than allowing drain holes in the bottom. Tesla seems to think absolutely sealed batteries are the solution, but water will get in like you say, then it’s trapped.

            They had an issue with the motherboard grtting water damaged for the same reason. As long as the car is right-way-up, drain holes won’t allow much water in during immersion, but they will let it back out.

  • @gjoel@lemmy.ml
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    791 year ago

    An AI tool was used to add an extra layer to the editing process for this story.

    For crying out loud, stop that!

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    Okay so for starters this article is clearly just a dig at Elon. If it wasn’t they would never have mentioned him but Elon makes headlines.

    Second, I don’t buy it. We’re getting one side of the story here. They’ve been selling these cars by the millions for years at this point. If the cars were failing “while driving in the rain”, it would be a much bigger deal.

    The " Elon Musk could buy everyone in the world a Tesla if he wanted to." line makes it clear that this is just more Elon/Tesla clickbait.

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    Elon Musk could buy everyone in the world a Tesla if he wanted to.

    Well, that would be $ 314 562 157 350 000. in other words, 3 times the global yearly GDP. But one can hardly expect a common sense from a tesla owner :D /s

  • @elscallr@lemmy.world
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    John said he pressed representatives of Tesla on whether he or Rob were at fault for the damage, to which he claims he was told that it was a weather issue. He added: "They said that the battery is effectively submerged in water. How can that be our fault?

    The car got flooded, then? That’s an insurance problem not a repair problem.

  • @WoahWoah@lemmy.world
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    Due respect and support for Elon hatred, but this story is stupid. No one gets water ingress on a tesla battery from driving through puddles. The family didn’t want to pay for it, the horrible “newd” organization (I refuse to even name them) knows mentioning Elon makes better news, and this whole thing is an insurance issue and somehow Elon is mentioned.

    Quick, without looking, who is the CEO of Toyota, Honda, Chevrolet, or Ford?

    Even if you know, who cares? Exactly.

  • @masquenox@lemmy.ml
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    I have zero sympathy for anyone that bought anything connected to Phony Stark. Zilch.

    You knew what you were buying into - you live with it.

    • @cricket97@lemmy.world
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      I get everyone here loves to hate have hate boner for musk but any electric car will break down if submerged in water. If tesla’s were breaking from simply driving in the rain, you would have heard about it.

  • Renere
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    idc about this post but i clicked on the article anyway to see gay people

    that’s so cool…

    • Chozo
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      This isn’t about Elon. While it’s about one of his companies, Elon has little to nothing to do with this story.

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        Yes. It is not about Elon. It’s about the doomed nature of BEVs. Any technology that can give you a £17,000 repair bill just because it is wet means it is not a viable technology. Though it’s sad that people have been fooled by Elon’s bullshit about his companies. Which is why stories like this come up. Ultimately, BEVs are dead-end and this cannot be changed. It will be a matter of when BEVs are abandoned in the marketplace, not if.

        EDIT: Again, no amount of lying to yourself will change reality. BEVs are a dead-end and always will be.

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          So a poorly made electric vehicle by one manufacturer means that the entire field is non-viable?

          EDIT: Lmao, check out this guy’s posts, every single comment is shitting on battery EVs and shilling hydrogen vehicles. I don’t know how much you’re being paid to shill for the fossil fuel industry, but I hope it’s enough.

          • Hypx
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            Lmao, check out this guy’s posts, every single comment is shitting on battery EVs and shilling hydrogen vehicles. I don’t know how much you’re being paid to shill for the fossil fuel industry, but I hope it’s enough.

            How many people are shilling for the BEV industry or Tesla? It is the biggest greenwashing scam of our time. Someone has to say something. You have reality reversed. It’s the pro-BEV people that are shills.

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            All BEVs from everyone will have the same issues.

            EDIT: Lying to yourself will not change reality. A BEV will never be a low-resource type of vehicles. It is a matter of when, not if, it falls apart as an idea.

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                Explain to me how a car with a $20,000 battery can ever avoid a repair job of $20,000 once the battery dies? This is a problem that everyone will face.

                And in America, the land of SUVs and pick-up trucks, these costs will be even higher.

                EDIT: You won’t change economics by lying to yourself. BEVs are simply not viable. At least, not anything with a big battery.

                • @bob_lemon@feddit.de
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                  This isn’t about the battery dying. It’s about Tesla failing miserably at building a water resistant enclosure for their batteries, them pretending that it’s somehow the customers fault.

                • @Honytawk@lemmy.zip
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                  Explain to me how a car with a $20,000 battery can ever avoid a repair job of $20,000 once the battery dies?

                  It is quite easy.

                  A battery like that lasts longer than the car. It may not have done in the past, but it does do so today.

                  And if it breaks before then, you only need to replace a single cell to fix it.

                  Afterwards, you can just recycle and reuse those exotic metals used in its construction, so it doesn’t require more pollution to create.

                • ArumiOrnaught
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                  It’s not one giant battery, but arrays of smaller batteries. At least that has been my experience with them. Battery goes bad and you replace that array. Not 20k but closer to 2k.

            • Blue
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              Lying to yourself will not change reality. A cellphone will never be a low-resource type of communication. It is a matter of when, not if, it falls apart as an idea.

              Lying to yourself will not change reality. A personal computer will never be a low-resource type of device. It is a matter of when, not if, it falls apart as an idea.

              That is you, that is how deranged you sound.

              • Hypx
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                A cellphone is not a car. Nor is a personal computer.

                A BEV has fundamental problems that cannot be solved. It’s worth noting that they are an older idea than combustion cars. It is in many ways, totally obsolete.

                • @Honytawk@lemmy.zip
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                  Funny, cause an combustion car has a lot bigger issues that can not be fixed and need to be addressed right now.

                  Which shares the same problems with hydrogen cars, btw.

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            A fuel cell stack has a few hundred dollars worth of platinum. The rest is just conventional materials like steel or plastic. Not very expensive. The whole stack is very small too, weighing just 50kg for an average car.

            So with mass production, it will be less than a combustion engine. You’ll get more savings by getting rid of the transmission and catalytic convertor. You pencil out the cost, and going with “first principles,” the whole vehicle will be the same or less than a conventional ICE car.

            • @zurohki@aussie.zone
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              Yes, and an EV battery has a few hundreds of dollars worth of materials in it too, but somehow they’re always going to be tens of thousands of dollars and fuel cells will get cheaper due to mass production?

              • Hypx
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                Actually no. It has thousands of dollars of raw materials in it. That’s why BEVs can’t go behind a certain cost floor. But FCEVs can.

        • Chozo
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          I don’t think the people buying Teslas are doing so because they believe them to be an economically viable option. They’re buying Teslas for the brand recognition/design more than anything.