Using they conveys a detached tone which matches the detached and ambivalent nature of the comment. See similarly “I don’t care what they think” or “I don’t know why they act that way” which would normally be used in informal conversation to signify a lack of engagement with the subject.
Using “they” conveys that you don’t know their gender, such as in your examples. It is often misused for trans people, but seldom do people refer to specific cis people as “they”.
Correct. But it’s often used for specific cis people when you are trying to create a detached or dismissive tone about those cis people. That’s what the poster was doing. They were being very ambivlant and detached about Page’s motivations and abilities. It’s sensitive because in both cases it’s being used to distance yourself from their identity. “I don’t care what he thinks” is less dismissive and more confrontational than “I don’t care what they think.” See similarly “they can do what they want” used when the gender is known, implying you’ve washed your hands completely of a person vs assigning them agency.
The above poster used “Their awkwardness” as well which isn’t a confrontational use of singular they and establishes a habit for distancing themselves from using the known correct pronouns.
In the trans community this is sometimes known as “The coward’s they”. A soft form of transphobic behavior that refuses someone’s gender when a trans person is well known enough or their gender is self evident by their presentation and behaviour but the person referring to them really doesn’t want to use the correct pronoun. Sometimes it’s a not intentional thing the brain does when outright transphobia mashes up against the brain coding someone they see as passing so “they” starts getting used so the speaker doesn’t trip up and accidentally use the correct pronoun. When done intentionally it’s designed to be subtle enough to not be caught by people just on the outside edge of trans inclusive communities but to trans people and their nearest and dearest it’s usually pretty obvious. Basically a dogwhistle.
You do not need to be a white knight for this person by trying to pour over their diction to try and find some pretext to defend them. Challenges to a coward’s they are usually no more than a reminder of a person’s actual pronouns. Short and sweet and over with quickly. Either the person gets the hint or they don’t care. It’s only when this response starts happening that people think using “they” dismissively to trans people works the same way as using “they” dismissively to cis people and the coward’s they finds the camouflage it needs to live on because even if this was not a coward’s they it functions exactly the same to a trans listener.
It can come across as weird/deliberate if you’re using “they” for trans people but “he”/“she” for cis people (obviously, not gendering is still miles better than misgendering though)
Idk about your native language but English does not rely on gender for grammar and therefor you can create sentences describing anything and anyone without assigning gendered pronouns.
“They/them” are not terms assigning no gender, they are terms devoid of assignment.
I kind of get it. Their awkwardness may or may not be some sort of comedic relief in Umbrella Academy. Hard Candy was an okay movie I guess.
I think Eliott Page is a he
Using they conveys a detached tone which matches the detached and ambivalent nature of the comment. See similarly “I don’t care what they think” or “I don’t know why they act that way” which would normally be used in informal conversation to signify a lack of engagement with the subject.
Using “they” conveys that you don’t know their gender, such as in your examples. It is often misused for trans people, but seldom do people refer to specific cis people as “they”.
Correct. But it’s often used for specific cis people when you are trying to create a detached or dismissive tone about those cis people. That’s what the poster was doing. They were being very ambivlant and detached about Page’s motivations and abilities. It’s sensitive because in both cases it’s being used to distance yourself from their identity. “I don’t care what he thinks” is less dismissive and more confrontational than “I don’t care what they think.” See similarly “they can do what they want” used when the gender is known, implying you’ve washed your hands completely of a person vs assigning them agency.
The above poster used “Their awkwardness” as well which isn’t a confrontational use of singular they and establishes a habit for distancing themselves from using the known correct pronouns.
In the trans community this is sometimes known as “The coward’s they”. A soft form of transphobic behavior that refuses someone’s gender when a trans person is well known enough or their gender is self evident by their presentation and behaviour but the person referring to them really doesn’t want to use the correct pronoun. Sometimes it’s a not intentional thing the brain does when outright transphobia mashes up against the brain coding someone they see as passing so “they” starts getting used so the speaker doesn’t trip up and accidentally use the correct pronoun. When done intentionally it’s designed to be subtle enough to not be caught by people just on the outside edge of trans inclusive communities but to trans people and their nearest and dearest it’s usually pretty obvious. Basically a dogwhistle.
You do not need to be a white knight for this person by trying to pour over their diction to try and find some pretext to defend them. Challenges to a coward’s they are usually no more than a reminder of a person’s actual pronouns. Short and sweet and over with quickly. Either the person gets the hint or they don’t care. It’s only when this response starts happening that people think using “they” dismissively to trans people works the same way as using “they” dismissively to cis people and the coward’s they finds the camouflage it needs to live on because even if this was not a coward’s they it functions exactly the same to a trans listener.
Quoting November Kelly, “She, but they if you are mad at me”
I used zero gendered terms in my comment.
It can come across as weird/deliberate if you’re using “they” for trans people but “he”/“she” for cis people (obviously, not gendering is still miles better than misgendering though)
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“their awkwardness”?
Idk about your native language but English does not rely on gender for grammar and therefor you can create sentences describing anything and anyone without assigning gendered pronouns.
“They/them” are not terms assigning no gender, they are terms devoid of assignment.
“their” is literally a gender neutral pronoun.
Elliott uses he/they pronouns!