“This proposed budget will mean change in Torontonians’ lives today. Change means libraries open seven days a week, transit fares frozen while TTC service increases and thousands more kids fed meals at schools and summer camps,” Chow told reporters at city hall.

“Pools open sooner and longer; renovictions prevented by taking housing off the market and more support for tenants; traffic agents to keep Toronto moving and emergency responders arriving sooner when you need them most.”

☝️Now that’s how a politician should talk about taxes.

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    As usual, Chow misleads the public - the biggest increase goes to the most generous ever public-union contracts, and I don’t think that this will make TTC run better or the streets cleaner.

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      The services she mentions are run by people. There are no services without people. Good wages affect hiring, the quality of staff, retention and turnover. Why would that not affect the quality of those services?

      Do we have to wait for inflation to outpace wages enough for people to start quitting the services, like nurses are, to realize that good pay is important?

      Also weren’t those workers have their pay increases capped to 1% per year during the post-COVID inflation period by Bill 124?

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        It just creates a two tier system where luck few who managed to get government jobs enjoy full benefits, indexed salaries, etc and the rest have to do precarious gigs at temp agency with night shift at minimum wage. If so called “socialists” cared about ALL working people, I would have less problems with this. Another problem is that a lot of government services like TTC are very expensive, but also very inefficient - I don’t know if you use TTC and were able to use public transport in other countries - we get charged premium prices for subpar services.

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          It just creates a two tier system where luck few who managed to get government jobs enjoy full benefits, indexed salaries, etc and the rest have to do precarious gigs at temp agency with night shift at minimum wage.

          These aren’t the only tiers out there. Corporate Canada pays well. Private union shops typically pay well too. The more of those there are, the more jobs one can apply for which aren’t precarious health ruining garbage. The less of those there are, the more people will be in these conditions. That’s what it comes down to. It’s a continuum and if you move, you either go in one or the other direction. The only way up for us working people is to have more people being paid better through whatever working arrangements that can occur.

          Unfortunately in our system organizing private firms to get higher wages and better working conditions falls on the shoulders of employees. Fortunately established unions do help.

          The prices of transit services around the world are subsidized. As they should be. TTC is one of the least subsidized services in the world. It makes most of its revenue from fares. This is why you see the fares you see. Remember the $3B Doug Ford gave in cheques to people of all incomes? If he spent that on TTC subsidies, fares could be free for 2-3 years.

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        In addition pay anywhere, whether being in public service, or private firms is used as comparison by employeers and employees elsewhere. If a place pays better, it’s used by employees at another place to ask for better wages. If a place pays less, it’s used by employers elsewhere to give lower wages. Better wages across the board are good for the economy and all working people, up to the point where they start driving up inflation. We’re not anywhere close to that. If you’ve heard the term “wages haven’t caught up to inflation”, the process of catching up is people negotiating higher wages. Just like the current example. Without it, we get poorer and poorer over time. Might sound familiar.

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    No one likes paying taxes, but I think that for most people who can afford to buy a home in this city, property tax is still significantly lower than provincial and federal taxes, and arguably you get more for your buck (the money is spent closer to home, by definition).

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      Yup. Anyone unhappy with property taxes should ask how Ford is spending their provincial income taxes.

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    5.4% property tax increase + 1.5% City Building Levy = 69‰ tax increase (nice)

    People have to put behind them the Tory-Ford era of just cutting taxes and letting this amazing city rot. Nobody enjoys having to pay more, but if you know that these increases lead to actual positive impacts then people will be all ears.

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    But they’re doing that by increasing taxes on wealth, capital gains, windfalls, luxury real estate, and income in the top 10%, right? They’re totally not increasing taxes by even so much as one penny on working class citizens when there’s so much obscene wealth controlled by a few.

    Right?

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      But they’re doing that by increasing taxes on wealth, capital gains, windfalls, luxury real estate, and income in the top 10%, right? They’re totally not increasing taxes by even so much as one penny on working class citizens when there’s so much obscene wealth controlled by a few.

      Municipalities in Ontario don’t have the ability to tax those things.

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          Not as it stands. Sure, the Ontario government could allow municipalities to introduce sales tax, and it has come up a bunch lately. However, municipalities are creatures of the province, and as such, new provincial legislation would be needed to allow municipal sales tax.

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          Sales taxes are regressive. They affect the poorest the most. The concern is that property taxes aren’t targeting wealth enough. Sales tax fails on the same terms. In fact it might be worse than property tax. Someone has probably done the math in some study cited in Wikipedia.

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        In addition, property taxes on a large house are much higher than the property taxes on a condo. So even though they can’t target wealth very well, the property tax is somewhat progressive.

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          Property tax isn’t progressive (a more expensive property isn’t taxed at a higher rate), but you’re right, it’s also not regressive, like sales tax (lower income people spend a higher percentage of their income on living expenses, so they are effectively taxed at a higher rate).