ISSUE: I have been watching SELL XMR for fiat (SEPA) tab of the RetoSwap (Haveno fork) for a couple of weeks and there is rarely an offer below 3% fee. Most offers are around predatory 6% fee.

Since there is low amount of offers, some people put the 9% or similar dirty fee and this seems to be pushing up the average % rate of the future offers, making the Haveno not a good option for trading. When trading reversible pair, you do not want to create your offer, because you can not select with whom to trade by placing a limit on your trading partner (like account age and such).

SUGGESTION: Maybe if the maximum allowed spread from a market price is set to 2.5% or similar, there would be less predators and more people who really want to do the fair/market price trade. As a newbie when you open the app and see the SELL/BUY spread for fiat like 12%, it is pretty bad place to trade.

  • antidote@monero.townEnglish
    51·
    16 days ago

    Free market. Nobody is forcing anyone to take any of the offers. Anybody can open a trade with his preferred price and wait for someone to take it.

  • g2devi@feddit.nlEnglish
    3·
    16 days ago

    It might work for USD or EUR to and from XMR but it wouldn’t work for any other currency because the liquidity is so low, if the profit isn’t there no-one will risk the trade to do the exchange. If you look for instance at CAD, there aren’t any trade less that 5% either way. For the Indian Rupee, you can sell for a 10% spread but you can’t even buy it. For other currencies, the spread and liquidity can be far worse so the choice will be to either the be no offers or accept the high spread offers.

    There is also such a thing as arbitrage. People will go the better offer so if there is a large spread, there will be people who are willing to convert their currency to a foreign currency and buy or sell XMR in USD and pocket the difference. If it’s profitable, someone will be willing to do it for less and eventually the profit will reach an equilibrium point that is fair. Since currency conversion usually has a fee higher than 3%, your 2.5% cutoff would eliminate this very fair liquidity (i.e. it’s unfair to expect people to trade at a loss).

    If you don’t like the exchange rate, go to BasicSwapDEX and trade XMR for nimble wimble LTC. It’s a bear to install and you will have to do some work to ensure you don’t lose funds and you will have KYC issues with LTC to and from fiat, but it gives you a better rate. Or you can use a regular LTC/BCH to and from XMR trade on Haveno and worry about the KYC LTC separately if you want a better deal.

  • jay_edwards@monero.townEnglish
    1·
    12 days ago

    That’s why I use services like Exolix to swap Monero. The fees are quite reasonable, and then, I can exchange my stablecoin for fiat elsewhere

    • hetzlemmingsworldOPEnglish
      1·
      9 days ago

      The point is that the value would need to be default for everyone so makers needs to lower their fees. As has been said the fee/spread would have to be set the way so the users cover their cost (do not loose anything by trading) and also has some benefit out of the trade (like up to lets say 2% buffer).