• @realitista@lemm.ee
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    57 hours ago

    I doubt crabs could make it as an intelligent interplanetary species. I mean claws are cool and all, but really tough to use tools with.

      • @realitista@lemm.ee
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        12 minutes ago

        I sure the fuck wouldn’t want to fight a giant crab. I just don’t think they could build an interstellar space ship, that’s all.

  • @humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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    48 hours ago

    What is this “crabbification” evolution trend you speak of?

    Intelligence favours dexterity of making/holding weapons and tools. Claws are not as good. Armour is always a nice to have, but the offense from weapons use from “hands” is better. I do like the idea of 360 rotating “eye arms” to catch backstabbers. Maybe more arms and legs.

  • @lowleveldata@programming.dev
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    1516 hours ago

    But what if the human form is a prerequisite for evolving into the space age? We wouldn’t need so many tools if we were strong as a crab to begin with

  • @kerrigan778@lemmy.world
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    1421 hours ago

    A fairly small number of known species evolved to the vaguely humanoid form, but 100% of known species with a human level of higher intelligence have had roughly this body plan, it’s really not unreasonable to extrapolate that this could be a common body plan for intelligent aliens.

    • @MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml
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      612 hours ago

      Taken more seriously, having the evolutionary background to have:

      • fine control over your limbs, like fingers
      • 3D-thinking (throwing) and manipulation
      • cooperation

      another human-like civilization is pretty unlikely.

    • @leftzero@lemmynsfw.com
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      known species with a human level of higher intelligence

      • Humans (allegedly; evidence points to most being dumb as a rock).
      • Some species of extinct hominids (sure, but they’re extinct).
      • Dolphins (and orcas, which are big fancy dolphins); absolute creeps, though.
      • Whales, possibly, though they tend to keep to themselves, so who knows.
      • Some species of octopods.
      • Some species of parrots.
      • Some species of corvids.
      • I swear some of those black and white sheepdogs seem more intelligent than many of the people I know.
      • @jol@discuss.tchncs.de
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        518 hours ago

        Dolphins and whales might be intelligent, but their bodies do not allow them effective use of complex tools. Same for birds.

        Octopods do have a body that is flexible enough, but having evolved in water is a huge limiting factor. But some are able to move around outside water, so it’s not too far fetched to imagine becoming a global species.

      • Annoyed_🦀
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        319 hours ago

        My cat. Seriously, stop looking at my lazer pointer and start chasing that freaking dot wtf. I swear sometime she chase it just to entertain me, else i’ll be standing there waving like a total idiot.

      • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet
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        015 hours ago

        None of those animals have human levels of intelligence except for the humans. When was the last time you saw an orca use calculus to solve the mysteries of the universe, or antibiotics to cure their sickness? They’re smart, but they’re nowhere near as smart as humans.

    • @fossilesque@mander.xyzOPM
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      24 hours ago

      I couldn’t finish the first book. :(( Ironically, I liked how he finished Wheel of Time. I DK. It’s not terribly written; it just didn’t stick. Robert Jordan was a far worse writer lol.

      • @TheMinions@lemmy.world
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        221 hours ago

        Way of Kings is honestly a more like a prequel for the series. It’s pretty much ONLY setting up the characters and world building. So if you don’t get into that you might not finish.

      • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet
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        015 hours ago

        Way of Kings is the best book in the series, so if you didn’t like that, then you won’t like the series.

        Jordan tended to ramble (especially about women’s clothing), but I wouldn’t say he was a worse writer. Some of his writing was exceptional. It started tapering off near the end because he was dying. Book 11 especially is a hard slog. But when he was healthy he had some great writing.

        Sanderson is a great writer too, but he uses a different pacing style, which is more modern. So his writing will click more with people today. I really loved how it picked the pace back up with WoT after the slog, brought it all together, and finished the epic story. Jordan had extensive notes, and he and Sanderson worked together to ensure the story was finished. I really love that Sanderson respected Jordan’s work, and finished it as Jordan would have instead of trying to make it his own thing.

        I love both authors, and have read all of WoT and everything Sanderson has written. If you want to give an original Sanderson book a try, start with Mistborn. That book is very good, and isn’t a 1000 page introduction to a 14,000 page saga. It’s short and there are two more books that conclude the trilogy. He wrote more Mistborn books later, but they’re in a whole different era, and weren’t to my liking. The original trilogy is great!

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            312 hours ago

            I have the same issue. I just can’t seem to be hooked by Sanderson’s writing. I’ve tried a few and I can’t settle in to them at all. I love WoT, but couldn’t even finish it.

            • @fossilesque@mander.xyzOPM
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              212 hours ago

              That’s the thing, I want to like it too. Once I have a bit more time (lol), maybe I’ll give him another shot on audiobook.

      • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet
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        015 hours ago

        Way of Kings is the best book in the series, so if you didn’t like that, then you won’t like the series.

        Jordan tended to ramble (especially about women’s clothing), but I wouldn’t say he was a worse writer. Some of his writing was exceptional. It started tapering off near the end because he was dying. Book 11 especially is a hard slog. But when he was healthy he had some great writing.

        Sanderson is a great writer too, but he uses a different pacing style, which is more modern. So his writing will click more with people today. I really loved how it picked the pace back up with WoT after the slog, brought it all together, and finished the epic story. Jordan had extensive notes, and he and Sanderson worked together to ensure the story was finished. I really love that Sanderson respected Jordan’s work, and finished it as Jordan would have instead of trying to make it his own thing.

        I love both authors, and have read all of WoT and everything Sanderson has written. If you want to give an original Sanderson book a try, start with Mistborn. That book is very good, and isn’t a 1000 page introduction to a 14,000 page saga. It’s short and there are two more books that conclude the trilogy. He wrote more Mistborn books later, but they’re in a whole different era, and weren’t to my liking. The original trilogy is great!

      • @TheMinions@lemmy.world
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        Axehounds, Parshendi, chulls, chasmfiends, songlings, rockbuds, etc.

        Oh and the generic “cremling”

    • @SanctimoniousApe
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      Yeah, he was well known for spreading STDs throughout the universe - including crabs.

  • @Sporkbomber@lemm.ee
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    620 hours ago

    Neal Asher’s Praedor Moon is a fun read if you want to see what advanced humans would do against space faring crabs.

    • SkaveRat
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      215 hours ago

      Rumors say that the upcoming new Children of time book will also involve crabs

      • @Sporkbomber@lemm.ee
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        22 hours ago

        We explode them, they explode us. Oh also they enslave captured humans or just outright eat them.

    • @Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz
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      116 hours ago

      The entire Polity series is great, but my favourite parts are always when we follow a Prador perspective.

  • Superb
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    1223 hours ago

    Project Hail Mary got this really right. The aliens are big rock crabs

    • @windlas@lemmy.ca
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      210 hours ago

      It was such a good book. I can’t wait for the movie release! Apparently its due to he released in 2026.