• @SarcasticMan@lemmy.world
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    348 hours ago

    Outrageous! How the fuck are we supposed to murder, rob, subjugate, steal, and run our modern-day slave empires if the ICC can just go and arrest people all willy-nilly and shit?

    • @SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works
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      4711 hours ago

      Nope, they lost because they blindly support the billionaires over everyday people. Israel is a tiny symptom of the real problem, which is the concentration of wealth.

      • @kandoh@reddthat.com
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        They bailed out the teamsters pension fund and had to fight Republicans tooth and nail to do it — didnt even result in am endorsement and majority of teamsters still voted GOP.

        CHIP act made Arizona flush with manufacturing and construction jobs, still voted GOP.

        The reason Democrats lose is because they have to campaign against a made-up Republican that is normal and reasonable and Republicans get to campaign against the Oberlin faculty lounge instead of Democrats

        • @SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works
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          87 hours ago

          Yet they never tackled the monopolies in the healthcare, food and housing industries responsible for the cost of living crisis, which cost them the election.

          • @kandoh@reddthat.com
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            Earlier they lost because they didn’t support workers, now they lost because they didn’t break up every food, healthcare, and housing company.

            I imagine if they did break those companies up and still lost you’d find another aspect of the party that isn’t to to your liking and pin the blame on that going on and on and on.

            If improving people’s material conditions worked, the Democrats would win every teamster or every person who relies on the ACA for their healthcare would vote Democrat and they don’t.

            The reality is that democrats lose because a huge chunk of voters spend 2 hours a day listening to the voice of a guy who sounds like their dad, telling them that Democrats only care about the gays or the blacks or the browns, and even if you think the republicans are weird religious freaks - at least their cruelty is good for the economy. They hear this idea repeated to them over and over and over and over again and when that happens the human mind starts to assume it’s the truth.

            • @SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works
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              No argument that the Democrats focused on unimportant rhetoric. And the lies were damaging, because they were positioned as defending the status quo.

              The best way to support workers is to prevent their exploitation

              Have a listen to AOCs interviews of her supporters who voted Trump, as well as the swing voters who stayed away. It goes a long way to explain why 20million dem voters stayed away.

  • JaggedRobotPubes
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    37 hours ago

    He’s afraid that if he doesn’t slide us into unlikeability gradually, the shock could kill us.

    4D chess?

  • peopleproblems
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    5113 hours ago

    He’s at the end of his career, doesn’t need the money to fight the zionists propaganda, so that means he actually believes this.

    OR like I suspected before, Israel houses A LOT of secret US intelligence and defense capabilities

    • @buttfarts@lemy.lol
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      65 hours ago

      Yes this. The US isn’t shy to back genocides done to secure control of territories held by US friendly regimes. It’s kinda their thing really

    • @PriorityMotif@lemmy.world
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      78 hours ago

      In Israel it’s legal for companies to sell computer exploits to nation states and other actors like corporations. A lot of ex military from the u.s. work for these companies in Israel.

  • @b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    10116 hours ago

    He welcomes Trump with open arms, and acts like a lame duck. But can still get fired up to defend war criminals and try to stop Bernie’s move to block arms shipments. I don’t even know what to say.

    • @buttfarts@lemy.lol
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      55 hours ago

      Trump will help Bibi finish off the Palestinians entirely without Biden’s modest pretense of pretending to give a shit about a two-state solution

    • @Maalus@lemmy.world
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      4114 hours ago

      You say what was obvious from the start. Democrats were never going to stop the genocide in Gaza.

  • @elbucho@lemmy.world
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    8816 hours ago

    “Were there not an Israel, the United States would have to invent an Israel to protect her interests in the region.”

    Joe Biden

    Israel is good for 2 things, as far as 60% of Congress is concerned: destabilizing Muslim countries to prevent a strong coalition from forming, and donating money to US politicians. What’s a little genocide in the face of that?

    • @Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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      1514 hours ago

      That’s far too generous. At the very most, 10% of congress is on the right side of history when it comes to America’s favorite fascist apartheid regime.

      The public in general is closer to 65-35 the opposite direction.

      • @elbucho@lemmy.world
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        1014 hours ago

        That may be true, but only 60% of congress is receiving Israeli bribes. Hence the number I chose.

        • @Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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          414 hours ago

          Again, overly generous. Almost all of them are either receiving bribes from them or running against someone who is in both primary and general elections. 60% is hella optimistic.

          • @elbucho@lemmy.world
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            714 hours ago

            60% is hella optimistic.

            It’s hyperbolic, actually. According to opensecrets.org, the actual number is only 52.5%. Of course, I’m sure that there’s some back-room deals that aren’t recorded publicly, and so the number is higher than that. 60% seems like a good, round, umbrella-like figure.

  • @Gsus4@mander.xyz
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    huh, we wasn’t cynically posturing for election purposes, he really wants to die on this hill :/

    • @ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
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      Seems or entire government does. How much shady shit does isreal do for our country? Our official imports and exports don’t really look that dramatic.

    • @NatakuNox@lemmy.world
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      Biden is a devout catholic, meaning he believes Isreal must be the home for all jews for the rapture to happen. Not enough people are talking about this. Even the most “normal” religious people are nut jobs that shouldn’t be in power.

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        I thought that was some evangelical sect crap. Roman catholics don’t believe in rapture “the rapture”.

        • @whotookkarl@lemmy.world
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          Christianity at its foundation is an apocalyptic religion, more so in Mark than the later gospels but it’s there in all 4 of them and comes back in full force in revelations which are all part of the Catholic canonical Bible. The specific details of what the end times will look like beyond what it says in the Bible differs greatly between different sects of Christianity, but they all predict some sort of divine apocalypse.

          The mythical narrative is humanity doomed itself (Adam and Eve committing original sin dooming their progeny), Jesus came and erased that doom (by sacrificing himself to himself), and said he’ll be back (within the apostles lifetime) to bring the end times and utopia for Christians.

          Edit: Catholic doctrine regarding the apocalypse: https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/apocalypse

          And some of the predictions attributed to Jesus in Matthew as signs of the end is nigh: https://www.catholic365.com/article/40494/decoding-the-signs-the-catholic-perspective-on-end-times.html

        • @nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          28 hours ago

          He will be remembered like silent Cal, except instead of doing to little to combat the oncoming great depression, it will be doing to little to prevent fascism.

        • Diplomjodler
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          1415 hours ago

          Sad but true. I really don’t understand why he is so adamant in his support for Netanyahu.

          • @Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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            2414 hours ago

            Because he’s a true believer who’s drunk the Zionism kool-aid.

            Plus it probably helps that he’s received more money from AIPAC throughout his political career than his current net worth.

          • pachrist
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            814 hours ago

            Because it’s self serving.

            If Bibi is a war criminal for leveraging an admittedly horrible terrorist attack to commit horrendous atrocities, so is Joe Biden.

            What the US did in the 2 decades post 9/11 is no better or worse than what Israel is doing now. Accountability for one means accountability for the other, and Biden doesn’t want to be held accountable.

            • @BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca
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              What the US did in Iraq and Afghanistan was wrong, no doubt. There’s a lot of reasons for that, ranging from who was actually responsible for 9/11 to all the actual violence between the civilians and soldiers. But systematic extermination is NOT one of those reasons. What Israel is doing in Gaza is 1000x worse. Equating it to how the US conducted its affairs minimizes what’s actually happening, muddying the water and keeping people from feeling like they should actually be doing anything about it.

  • @Naich
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    Fuck me, that’s some selective outrage there.

  • Meldrik
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    4317 hours ago

    Doesn’t really matter what he thinks, since the US ain’t part of the ICC. What’s pathetic is countries being part of the ICC, condemning the arrest warrants.

    • @elbucho@lemmy.world
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      2116 hours ago

      As well they fucking should. Trump isn’t going to be any better for the Palestinian people than Biden and Harris. He is, in fact, going to be far worse for them. Also, he’s a traitor, a serial rapist, a misogynist, a pedophile, a grifter, and an imbecile. The American voting population either liked what they saw, or didn’t care enough to vote against him. Fuck every single one of those assholes right in the face.

      • @11111one11111@lemmy.world
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        Yeah it’s definitely that and not your obvious case of Trump derangement syndrome. Why would you think saying “Fuck every single one of those assholes right in the face.” To anyone who didn’t vote for the same person as you would change their mind in who they vote for? Do you hate everyone who lacks the cognitive ability to draw the same conclusions as you?

      • @pastermil@sh.itjust.works
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        68 hours ago

        Then let me ask you this: What did the democrats promised? That they’re not Trump?

        Most people look back at what Biden did, and saw nothing much. Some people stuck on the huricane saw they weren’t getting the help they need. Meanwhile, the saw on the news some foreign countries they’ve never set their feet on getting all the money that could’ve been used for their people.

        DNC is basically playing chicken with their supporter on the Palestine issue. “Yes, we’re gonna let babies fly headless, but guess what, either us or that orange criminal!” Guess how that turned out. You’re gonna complain about how Trump is gonna end this quicker. How is it worse exactly if they’re gonna face the same fate in the end?

        Meanwhile, Trump promised a strong arm approach to all the economic problem. A lot of people are desperate with their financial situation.

        All that far-right policies are getting fanatical support. Meanwhile, the DNC were losing support as they tried to compromise with the right-wing ideologies.

        Oh, and don’t forget they would’ve had better chance with Sanders, but instead they went with Harris. The best she could do was play with women right.

        But yeah, the voters suck!

      • Jimmybander
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        39 hours ago

        Education has been dwindling for a while. It’s showing.

        • @elbucho@lemmy.world
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          Well, this is a bit of a good news, bad news situation for you. Good news: Americans are now about to reap the consequences of their idiotic decision. Bad news: Palestinians are going to be fucked harder than they are currently.

      • @Saleh@feddit.org
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        So what is Donny going to do worse? Complete the genocide faster?

        Because Biden, Harris and the DNC have made it abundantly clear that they support the genocide and total annihilation of all Palestinians and to erase any last bit of Palestine from the Maps. They just wanted it to happen at a pace that allows to pretend not being white supremacist mass murderers to continue getting the votes of the minorities in the US.

        The Dems need to be punished over this until they remove the genocidal white supremacists from their ranks.

        That is the only way to create a political momentum to get a non genocidal political option in the US

          • @slickgoat@lemmy.world
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            1015 hours ago

            Yeah, yeah, but fundamentally, what’s going to be worse under Trump on that score. With Israel, Dems and GOP are Coke-Pepsi all the way down. Are Democrat bombs kinder than Trump bombs?

            • @prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              This is the most ignorant shit ever. Unfortunately for everyone, this question will answer itself, and you won’t be feeling very smug anymore. Give it 6 months.

              • @slickgoat@lemmy.world
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                I’m not American, so our perspectives will always be different. From where the rest of the world is sitting, Americans have never given a tin shit about natural justice or respect for another country’s autonomy. You guys have been in the coup business for over a hundred years. How many governments have been overthrown because they weren’t compliant enough, not friendly enough to your corporate interests or simply standing in the way of your geopolitical ambitions? Pacific islands blown apart or outright stolen, dark money handed to murderous dictators, killer regimes installed and resources sucked away. Spare me the rationalism about one particular brand of domestic American politics being slightly less worse than the other. If your country is balls deep in the misery of what’s going on in Palestine already, there won’t be too many left to murder when Trump takes office in January.

                Coke or Pepsi, feller.

        • @ParetoOptimalDev@lemmy.today
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          So what is Donny going to do worse? Complete the genocide faster?

          Yes, that exactly in fact. Trump said Bibi can do whatever but needs to end it soon.

          • @Krauerking@lemy.lol
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            610 hours ago

            Soooo… Less suffering for those that would die anyways? And less white people patting themselves on the back for trying nothing but considering themselves good for it anyways?

    • @coyootje@lemmy.world
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      I mean, they’re just gonna go from genocide Joe to genocide convicted criminal Donald so not much of an upgrade there.