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Summary
The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, former defense minister Yoav Gallant, and Hamas officials, accusing them of war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza and during the October 2023 attacks.
The court alleges actions like depriving Gaza civilians of essential resources.
Israel and the U.S., non-members of the ICC, reject the warrants, with Netanyahu calling them antisemitic.
Hamas also criticized the decision.
The practical enforcement of these warrants remains uncertain, as the ICC lacks authority to compel arrests.
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Anyone putting netanyahu and hamas in the same category, gets it.
Finally the only sensible response to what is happening in Israel.
Arrest the leaders on both sides!
I remember saying this should be done at the start of the conflict and I was called a genocide loving Nazi for saying Hamas was just as bad. Hamas leaders are wealthy old men who live in luxury outside of Gaza
It seems that the Hamas leader they’ve listed the warrant for might already be dead though. I guess if he turns up less dead than expected in a member country they can nab him with the warrant
This has happened already, it’s now the 2nd time they’ve issued the warrent.
This is just the first time the story was allowed through the US media wall
He’s really fucking up the antisemitic thing for the rest of us. The wolf crier isn’t a monolith and he’s diluting an important communication tool.
The US and others were fine with it when they issued a warrant for Putin, I’m sure they’ll be on board for this as well, right?
This makes us look weak and hypocritical to the rest of the world. Stop the unjust war of aggression and annexation! No wait, I meant the other one. This one is a-OK.
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‘‘How are you today?’’ ‘‘That’s an antisemitic question.’’
That’s what the constant cry wolf has lead to. The absurd has become real.
I heard that Bibi stubbed his toe on an antisemetic table this morning.
Bibi has a table that prevents vomiting? What else is that bastard hiding?!
Lmao thanks for pointing out the typo. Or perhaps it’s the zionists that keep making a mistake and are trying to tell us that ending the genocide in Gaza helps them throw up less?
Who’d have thunk that 2000 years of conflict was all a misunderstanding about spelling…
Who’d have thunk that 2000 years of conflict …
It hasnt been 2000 years of conflict. Thats a zionist propganda talking point filthy lie, and shame on you for bringing lies here. Go to reddit with that crap.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ottoman_Empire
The experience of Jews in the Ottoman Empire is particularly significant because the region “provided a principal place of refuge for Jews driven out of Western Europe by massacres and persecution.”
The Ottoman empire was there until recently, spanning 800 years and jewish people were safe and prospered. Its only since the zionists surged back that its been a shitshow. Going back 2000 years, it was a shitshow when the zealot faction of judaism (which is exactly the same faction as modern zionists) committed mass genocide of greeks and romans in the region to establish a jewish state on roman territory and then were put down hard by the romans.
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Cue “ICC is antisemitic”, just like the ICJ, the UN, every human rights organisation, the Special Rapporteur, independent journalists, protestors etc etc.
Antisemitism and victimhood are the only cards left for Zio fascists to play with.
The original Nazis would always claim that they represented the Arian Race and that any criticism of them was “against the Arian Race” and the Zionists, a Neue Nazi group, do the same only using a different ethnicity.
This is far from the only way in which these Neue Nazis are the same as the original Nazis.
Zio fascists
*nazis
(again)
Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders have condemned ICC Chief Prosecutor Karim Khan’s request for warrants as disgraceful and antisemitic.
Antisemitism does manifest itself in both casual and systematic forms. The region-specific component is also important.
However, claims regarding antisemitism from the Israeli government are increasingly becoming a “reverse confirmation” of sorts. One could almost argue that if they call something antisemitic, chances are it’s actually not and may even be the correct course of action (clear cut cases notwithstanding).
Decrying the persecution of crimes against humanity as antisemitic is quite something. It begs the question then, what these people see inherently Semitic about perpetrating these crimes.
The blatant misuse of this term is actually very harmful to Jews around the world, since calls of those actually suffering from anti-Jewish sentiment are not taken seriously anymore.
“Chef overcooked my burger. Antisemite.” -Uncle Leo -Jerry Seinfeld
As a Jew, I’m becoming desensitized to the word “antisemitic.” Even my Israeli cousins overuse the word and can’t explain to me how this kind of shit is antisemitism beyond “Hamas wants to kill us.”
the Palestinians did not get to choose the ethnicity of their oppressors.
“You can’t cry wolf and BE the wolves. Do you not understand what the villagers do to wolves?”
https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism
That’s the definition they use, so anything you say against the State they see as being against the ethnicity, which doesn’t make sense.
It’s the local variant of fake news.
TLDR: it’s not antisemitic, it’s just anti-Bibi.
It’s like how if some random dipshit harms someone else they go “Oh, so it’s okay to hate men? I’m a man so I’m the bad guy?”
When no, you’re the one who assalted someone. What you are doesn’t define actions.
Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders have condemned request for warrants as disgraceful and antisemitic.
I wasn’t aware he was a stand up comedian. I mean, I always knew he was a clown.
What region-specific component are you referring to? I’m genuinely asking, not being argumentative. I completely agree that holding Netanyahu accountable for war crimes is not antisemitism, let alone the ICC charging leaders on both sides of the conflict.
I am looking at it from a more abstract, generic perspective.
When you lose the right to freely travel, work, live in your country. There is going to be a lot of animosity around this. I don’t think it is fair to purely attribute this to a discriminatory attitude.
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This is the correct call! A majority of Palestinians and Israeli do not want war. It’s a few bad apples on both sides and they should all be jailed.
Not such a thing as bad apple in an occupied population
As someone living in Israel, that’s a nice thought but a fundamental misunderstanding of Israeli politics. The vast majority of Israelis not only support war but support a complete and total genocide of every Muslim in the middle east. Furthermore a very large amount of Israelis see the hostages as an acceptable loss if it means they can kill more Palestinian civilians. Its not “a few bad apples”, Israel is a fundamentally rotten “nation” that only exists on genocide and war.
I’ve heard that it’s quite jarring to be living in Israel as someone who’s progressive. Like, it’s not just about state suppression of protests, but the levels of social condemnation that you get when the media landscape is so heavily skewed
No one wants their lives disrupted by war. Settlers and the army do not represent the majority.
The vast majority of Israelis either directly or indirectly support the army. Even the most progressive Israelis (specifically people who call themselves Israeli) will rarely speak out against war crimes.
They don’t see their lives as being disrupted any more than usual. That’s the problem.
Genocide takes a lot more than a few bad apples making a whoopsie.
Make no mistake, this war is the culmination of multiple decades of extremist Israeli and Palestinian politics in which the worst possible human beings on both sides were propped up by a populace that has been blinded by decades of hate for the other.
This is what Netanyahu and Hamas have always wanted, and what they were always working towards.
You would be surprised!
You don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
Israelis are largely in favor of it. Netanyahus approval has skyrocketed, when they launched the offensive on Lebanon and Israelis opposing the wars and occupation are increasingly targeted by the government and government affiliated “settler” terror groups. These terror groups have ramped up their pogroms in East Jerusalem and the West Bank and decent Israelis who get in their way are beaten while the IDF watches.
The majority of Israelis do want war. They only want the hostages out more.
Israelis are terrorists who take part of the IDF to ensure the occupation of Palestine.
Of course, people like Haredi Jews and other minorities that don‘t take part of the IDF are innocent. But the rest are terrorists and should be treated as such. ✊
The Palestinian armed resistance is completely valid and it isn’t a „few bad apples“.
Haredis are innocent? Their vision for a the state of Israel is revanchist and purely Jewish. Their votes are squarely in a right-wing corner.
Hey look! Performative European bureaucratic theater that will amount to nothing. I think this is what people call “virtue signalling”, no?
More than a year into this shit show chapter of an 80 year conflict, war criminals, authoritarians and genocidal maniacs on both sides, no mechanism to compel arrest or enforce anything, and the Hamas officials that were named are potentially already dead. I can’t believe that people don’t know empty political gestures tossing red meat when they see it… 🙄
Netanyahu should be a man and go face the ICC himself in response to this warrant. After all, if the facts show that he has acted within the various laws and conventions of war, then he has nothing to fear. He obviously won’t however, nor will anyone bother to arrest him in the US or EU.
Those warrants aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on, but it’s still nice to see official bodies outside the US calling Netanyahu what he is.
Not exactly. The ratifying countries are bound by contract to arrest them. Plus It’s a serious issue not to do it, because this would delegitimize the ICC as an institution, which is not in the interest of most ratifying countries. So it essentially boils down to a choice between losing the court as a valuable weapon against war criminals or bad relations with Israel.
What happens after an arrest is another matter and I think that is where the real pressure would happen
“Bound by contract”, lol…
Are you familiar with Donald Trump?
The US isn’t part of the ICC because we commit too many war crimes.
These warrants absolutely matter in terms of being a trumo card in several legal issues relating to EU-Israel relations.
It’s a nice thought. I won’t hold my breath expecting any real consequences for Israel, though.
The saddest thing is that if they do take action, it will be the lowest bar possible of accountability. They’ll for example ban products from illegal settlements and then let Israel redurect them anyways.
Those warrants are worth a lot. Not enough to put them behind bars, but still a lot!
I doubt any country will have the stones to arrest him in the face of US pressure.
There is number of countries already said they would.
“The Netherlands, Switzerland, Ireland, Italy, and Spain all said they would meet their commitments and obligations regarding the Rome Statute and International Law.”
At least with America going full mask off as a force of evil, the rest of the world can stop waiting on us to do the right thing.
I think the mask truly went off in 2003. Dubya was an international terrorist in the highest office of the world.
Seriously if anything good can come from this the U.S. needs to stop fucking around with other countries sovereignty and handle it’s own affairs for a few decades.
Look at what happened to Brazil during trump’s presidency. JCPOA. Paris climate accord. The bullshit always overflows.
Pretty sure if he ever sets foot in South America he’ll be arrested
They’ve been preparing for this for a while. Months ago already I remember reading accusations of the ICC being antisemitic by Israelis and various sympathisers. The old fiddle that never stops playing.
It goes waaaay back
https://www.972mag.com/icc-israel-surveillance-investigation/
