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Summary
The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, former defense minister Yoav Gallant, and Hamas officials, accusing them of war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza and during the October 2023 attacks.
The court alleges actions like depriving Gaza civilians of essential resources.
Israel and the U.S., non-members of the ICC, reject the warrants, with Netanyahu calling them antisemitic.
Hamas also criticized the decision.
The practical enforcement of these warrants remains uncertain, as the ICC lacks authority to compel arrests.
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Isn’t it a little anti-semetic to hold the guilty responsible for crimes the whole world knows they did? /s
Just predicting the media spin that’s all
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Anyone putting netanyahu and hamas in the same category, gets it.
Kudos to the ICC and make sure they are cell mates. Damn shame it will not happen.
Finally the only sensible response to what is happening in Israel.
Arrest the leaders on both sides!
It seems that the Hamas leader they’ve listed the warrant for might already be dead though. I guess if he turns up less dead than expected in a member country they can nab him with the warrant
This has happened already, it’s now the 2nd time they’ve issued the warrent.
This is just the first time the story was allowed through the US media wall
I remember saying this should be done at the start of the conflict and I was called a genocide loving Nazi for saying Hamas was just as bad. Hamas leaders are wealthy old men who live in luxury outside of Gaza
He’s really fucking up the antisemitic thing for the rest of us. The wolf crier isn’t a monolith and he’s diluting an important communication tool.
If I ever saw this yahoo and the other yahoo putin, I would shub this yahoo up putin’s arse. It’s a little unlikely but that’s the plan. And probably poke both thru with a cable, and I would give the cable a bunch of extra twists so they couldn’t get out.
The US and others were fine with it when they issued a warrant for Putin, I’m sure they’ll be on board for this as well, right?
This makes us look weak and hypocritical to the rest of the world. Stop the unjust war of aggression and annexation! No wait, I meant the other one. This one is a-OK.
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‘‘How are you today?’’ ‘‘That’s an antisemitic question.’’
That’s what the constant cry wolf has lead to. The absurd has become real.
I heard that Bibi stubbed his toe on an antisemetic table this morning.
Bibi has a table that prevents vomiting? What else is that bastard hiding?!
Lmao thanks for pointing out the typo. Or perhaps it’s the zionists that keep making a mistake and are trying to tell us that ending the genocide in Gaza helps them throw up less?
Who’d have thunk that 2000 years of conflict was all a misunderstanding about spelling…
Who’d have thunk that 2000 years of conflict …
It hasnt been 2000 years of conflict. Thats a zionist propganda talking point filthy lie, and shame on you for bringing lies here. Go to reddit with that crap.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ottoman_Empire
The experience of Jews in the Ottoman Empire is particularly significant because the region “provided a principal place of refuge for Jews driven out of Western Europe by massacres and persecution.”
The Ottoman empire was there until recently, spanning 800 years and jewish people were safe and prospered. Its only since the zionists surged back that its been a shitshow. Going back 2000 years, it was a shitshow when the zealot faction of judaism (which is exactly the same faction as modern zionists) committed mass genocide of greeks and romans in the region to establish a jewish state on roman territory and then were put down hard by the romans.
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Cue “ICC is antisemitic”, just like the ICJ, the UN, every human rights organisation, the Special Rapporteur, independent journalists, protestors etc etc.
Antisemitism and victimhood are the only cards left for Zio fascists to play with.
The original Nazis would always claim that they represented the Arian Race and that any criticism of them was “against the Arian Race” and the Zionists, a Neue Nazi group, do the same only using a different ethnicity.
This is far from the only way in which these Neue Nazis are the same as the original Nazis.
Zio fascists
*nazis
Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders have condemned ICC Chief Prosecutor Karim Khan’s request for warrants as disgraceful and antisemitic.
Antisemitism does manifest itself in both casual and systematic forms. The region-specific component is also important.
However, claims regarding antisemitism from the Israeli government are increasingly becoming a “reverse confirmation” of sorts. One could almost argue that if they call something antisemitic, chances are it’s actually not and may even be the correct course of action (clear cut cases notwithstanding).
Decrying the persecution of crimes against humanity as antisemitic is quite something. It begs the question then, what these people see inherently Semitic about perpetrating these crimes.
The blatant misuse of this term is actually very harmful to Jews around the world, since calls of those actually suffering from anti-Jewish sentiment are not taken seriously anymore.
“Chef overcooked my burger. Antisemite.” -Uncle Leo -Jerry Seinfeld
As a Jew, I’m becoming desensitized to the word “antisemitic.” Even my Israeli cousins overuse the word and can’t explain to me how this kind of shit is antisemitism beyond “Hamas wants to kill us.”
the Palestinians did not get to choose the ethnicity of their oppressors.
“You can’t cry wolf and BE the wolves. Do you not understand what the villagers do to wolves?”
https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism
That’s the definition they use, so anything you say against the State they see as being against the ethnicity, which doesn’t make sense.
It’s the local variant of fake news.
Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders have condemned request for warrants as disgraceful and antisemitic.
I wasn’t aware he was a stand up comedian. I mean, I always knew he was a clown.
TLDR: it’s not antisemitic, it’s just anti-Bibi.
It’s like how if some random dipshit harms someone else they go “Oh, so it’s okay to hate men? I’m a man so I’m the bad guy?”
When no, you’re the one who assalted someone. What you are doesn’t define actions.
What region-specific component are you referring to? I’m genuinely asking, not being argumentative. I completely agree that holding Netanyahu accountable for war crimes is not antisemitism, let alone the ICC charging leaders on both sides of the conflict.
I am looking at it from a more abstract, generic perspective.
When you lose the right to freely travel, work, live in your country. There is going to be a lot of animosity around this. I don’t think it is fair to purely attribute this to a discriminatory attitude.
This is the correct call! A majority of Palestinians and Israeli do not want war. It’s a few bad apples on both sides and they should all be jailed.
As someone living in Israel, that’s a nice thought but a fundamental misunderstanding of Israeli politics. The vast majority of Israelis not only support war but support a complete and total genocide of every Muslim in the middle east. Furthermore a very large amount of Israelis see the hostages as an acceptable loss if it means they can kill more Palestinian civilians. Its not “a few bad apples”, Israel is a fundamentally rotten “nation” that only exists on genocide and war.
I’ve heard that it’s quite jarring to be living in Israel as someone who’s progressive. Like, it’s not just about state suppression of protests, but the levels of social condemnation that you get when the media landscape is so heavily skewed
Yes, I get socially ostracized whenever I express any even slightly left wing points. Hell even pointing out the nearly 50k dead Palestinian civilians causes people to respond angrily and with comments like “they brought it upon themselves” or “it’s the fault of Hamas exclusively”
No one wants their lives disrupted by war. Settlers and the army do not represent the majority.
The vast majority of Israelis either directly or indirectly support the army. Even the most progressive Israelis (specifically people who call themselves Israeli) will rarely speak out against war crimes.
They don’t see their lives as being disrupted any more than usual. That’s the problem.
A war with the middle east is not normal disruption. No one wants to experience a war specially families on both ends.
Not such a thing as bad apple in an occupied population
Hamas and their leaders along with the nut jobs running Israel! All it takes is a few bad apples!
Genocide takes a lot more than a few bad apples making a whoopsie.
Make no mistake, this war is the culmination of multiple decades of extremist Israeli and Palestinian politics in which the worst possible human beings on both sides were propped up by a populace that has been blinded by decades of hate for the other.
This is what Netanyahu and Hamas have always wanted, and what they were always working towards.
Zionism is a fascist settler colonialist ideology that has always been set on the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Anti-colonialist resistance for liberation and peace is not equivalent to Colonialist supremacy
Ethnic Cleansing is fundamental to Zionism
Zionism’s aims in Palestine, its deeply-held conviction that the Land of Israel belonged exclusively to the Jewish people as a whole, and the idea of Palestine’s “civilizational barrenness" or “emptiness” against the background of European imperialist ideologies all converged in the logical conclusion that the native population should make way for thenewcomers.
The idea that the Palestinian Arabs must find a place for themselves elsewhere was articulated early on. Indeed, the founder of the movement, Theodor Herzl, provided an early reference to transfer even before he formally outlined his theory of Zionist rebirth in his Judenstat.
An 1895 entry in his diary provides in embryonic form many of the elements that were to be demonstrated repeatedly in the Zionist quest for solutions to the “Arab problem ”-the idea of dealing with state governments over the heads of the indigenous population, Jewish acquisition of property that would be inalienable, “Hebrew Land" and “Hebrew Labor,” and the removal of the native population.
Settlements and Occupation
Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets ‘Transferred’ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.
- The Transfer Committee, and the JNF Ethnic Cleansing, which led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate before the Nakba
The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:
Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:
While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements
The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.
The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal.
Visualizing the Ethnic Cleansing
Peace Process and Solution
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs
Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.
Historian Works on the History
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Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History - Nur Masalha
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The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha
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A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe
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The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi
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The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe
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The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim
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The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe
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The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy
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10 Myths About Israel - Ilan Pappe (summery)
You would be surprised!
You don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
You have no idea what you are talking about!
Israelis are largely in favor of it. Netanyahus approval has skyrocketed, when they launched the offensive on Lebanon and Israelis opposing the wars and occupation are increasingly targeted by the government and government affiliated “settler” terror groups. These terror groups have ramped up their pogroms in East Jerusalem and the West Bank and decent Israelis who get in their way are beaten while the IDF watches.
The majority of Israelis do want war. They only want the hostages out more.
Israelis are terrorists who take part of the IDF to ensure the occupation of Palestine.
Of course, people like Haredi Jews and other minorities that don‘t take part of the IDF are innocent. But the rest are terrorists and should be treated as such. ✊
The Palestinian armed resistance is completely valid and it isn’t a „few bad apples“.
Haredis are innocent? Their vision for a the state of Israel is revanchist and purely Jewish. Their votes are squarely in a right-wing corner.
Those warrants aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on, but it’s still nice to see official bodies outside the US calling Netanyahu what he is.
Not exactly. The ratifying countries are bound by contract to arrest them. Plus It’s a serious issue not to do it, because this would delegitimize the ICC as an institution, which is not in the interest of most ratifying countries. So it essentially boils down to a choice between losing the court as a valuable weapon against war criminals or bad relations with Israel.
What happens after an arrest is another matter and I think that is where the real pressure would happen
“Bound by contract”, lol…
Are you familiar with Donald Trump?
The US isn’t part of the ICC because we commit too many war crimes.
Those warrants are worth a lot. Not enough to put them behind bars, but still a lot!
These warrants absolutely matter in terms of being a trumo card in several legal issues relating to EU-Israel relations.
It’s a nice thought. I won’t hold my breath expecting any real consequences for Israel, though.
The saddest thing is that if they do take action, it will be the lowest bar possible of accountability. They’ll for example ban products from illegal settlements and then let Israel redurect them anyways.
They’ve been preparing for this for a while. Months ago already I remember reading accusations of the ICC being antisemitic by Israelis and various sympathisers. The old fiddle that never stops playing.
It goes waaaay back
https://www.972mag.com/icc-israel-surveillance-investigation/
