Heres the thing with federation
It will always be more complicated, and lead to smaller segregated communities. This mitigstes the network effect social media services rely on
The consumer lockin then monetization lockdown cycle always sheds users. I think eventually most federated systems will gain users, albeit slowly.
If the internet has a future, it’s on the Fediverse. We work around capitalism to avoid enshittification, or we let it defer our future further.
In the meantime, the Fediverse needs to get shiny and intuitive. The sign that something is cumbersome and hard to use is people saying “it’s not that bad”.
People may disagree with how BlueSky is organized and architected, but I get why they decided to do what they did. User experience.
Their architectural decisions mean that people don’t have to worry about instances confusing people, and the org structure means is easy to staff a proper dedicated experience team that can be working, planning, and testing before big expensive decisions are committed to code.
Bluesky is apart of the Fediverse and the quicker ActivityPub sites accommodate that fact the quicker we’ll have an open internet.
This pissing fight between ActivityPub sites and Bluesky is dumb and doesn’t further an open internet.
Not directed at you but to a lot, go put time into making Mastodon compatible with atProto instead of bitching.
Didn’t BlueSky come up with their own federation system because… Fuck you?
I mean, what was wrong with using the ActivityPub standard?
You forgot one main thing, 🤑🤑🤑🤑.
Lol
Friendship ended with Mastodon
My new best friend is Bluesky
Mastodon may or may not be good (I don’t use it), but the fact that it segments off users into different groups means it will never be a twitter replacement. The fact that twitter is essentially “public” and all sorts of people from different areas interact was basically the whole point of it.
Bluesky seems pretty nice so far and it has real momentum. Mastodon seems more along the lines of what Google+ turned into.
I would argue siloing is easier on bluesky - block list manager drama can definitely have a similar effect to user admin drama. The thing mastodon does poorly is discovery. The fed and local feeds are nonsense on Masto. Imo it should be replaced with local admin/user curated topical feeds and top cross server topical feeds.
Mastodon requires far more effort to create a new feed than bluesky, and that’s the major problem.
Mastodon doesn’t silo its users, that’s what federation is for. Everything you post on the public timeline is essentially public for everyone that’s on a federated instance that hasn’t gotten blocked.
I’m just dreading the inevitable monetization. These spaces are fun in their alpha state. But it’s just a matter of time before there’s a “Let AI help you spam Shrimp Jesus to your friends” button and a “Pay $5 to override the Block function” feature.
Mastodon is social media where no one comments or likes anything.
It’s like a modern art masterpiece.
You’re hanging out with the wrong people.
Had to look up bluesky. Posts are called skeets 🤣
That’s news to me 😂
Mutuafuckaaaaa
Pronounced “shiits”
why the fuck does no one change the trashass looking shadowed white impact font default text treatment on the meme generator
Readability > style
That takes effort and would invalidate it as a shitpost.
bluesky has made better choices - the starter packs and user lists are great for new users. They managed to add quote tweets but let the quoted person opt out of dog piles. It looks like they added options for custom algorithms too.
Bluesky will be enshittified but mastodon should be taking notes if they want to pick up people next wave.
The bluesky system is just way better. The local/fed feeds on masto are just wasted.
What if we’re wrong and BlueSky just gets better? I mean, with some of the corporate trappings of old Twitter, but still user-friendly, big userbases, vibrant subcultures and banning troublemakers?
I mean even if it repeats “the Twitter mistake” that’d still be another 13-14 years to go. Who knows where short-form social media will be conceptually in that time and whether any competition in the space is even still relevant.
It will, but it still has that countdown timer over its head.
The future is the fediverse, some yet-to-be-invented non-corporate equivalent, or offline.
Bluesky has useful tools. But (almost) all lists were made by the community of Bluesky users. Curation was made by users.
Curation was made by users.
Right, users not corporations make social networks, so the community not for profit corporations should own those social networks.
Can we not all see this as the same old pattern of predatory rent seeking behavior applied to online communities just seasoned with even more jargon and condescending handwaved half explanations?
I think Twitter is so, so awful but used, so the bar is in hell. Most things are an improvement compared to Twitter. And ppl use to praise corporations before communities (if they remember communities at all), so, in this case, Bluesky takes all credit.
The block lists for various types of assholes are also a marvellous invention. It’s so nice to block all of MAGA at a click
People who genuinely think like this (as in, that users going to Bluesky is somehow bad, surprising or something only stupid people do) are the very reason systems such as Mastodon cannot work. And sadly they naturally pervade such systems, at a development, administration and user level.
I will have to agree, what I see is people on the fediverse always talking about how others should join it and complain when people have the free will to choose other options. So far, it’s been painful to find a Mastodon instance, because the whole thing doesn’t feels intuitive, it’s hard to differentiate them, and all the topics that go on the honepage are just politics and people mentioning other platforms.
It’s almost like the average person doesn’t care about the fediverse and decentralisation and only wants muskless twitter. Nooo clearly the normies are idiot sheep
I mean, the reason Musk is an issue is because Twitter is a privately owned, for-profit company. The issue is top-down leadership. Bluesky is absolutely doomed to the same fate.
Bluesky is a for-profit corporation backed by Venture Capital and run by Crypto assholes.
Jack Dorsey launched the initiative in 2019 as a proof-of-concept for a federated Twitter, which never happened. After dumping Twitter, he re-launched it as a standalone social media service and flagship ATProto instance, before jumping ship and letting it be run by committee. He now endorses Nostr, because BlueSky wasn’t friendly enough to Nazis.
The current BlueSky CEO, Lantian Graber, started her career running shitcoin/scamcoin exchange (SkuCoin), manufacturing ASIC mining rigs, and developing for Zcash. She masquerades as a progressive techie, even as all of her past experience leans Libertarian/Anarchocapitalist, and all of her other ventures’ websites are plastered with GenAI slop.
Bluesky is growing faster than ever expected, and with virtually zero real federation going on. It’s going to fail catastrophically when the new user base realizes they signed up for the same shit they were trying to get away from.
It isn’t that hard to realize that a FOSS product developed by a nonprofit (eg. Mastodon) is the correct answer, not more centralized, corporate, for-profit social media…
Bluesky is Decentralized, people are moving to Bluesky because it is easier to use and has better UI and UX. The reason people are moving to Bluesky and not mastodon has nothing to do with Decentralized, it is because it is simply user friendly. I used both and I think currently that Bluesky is definitely better. One of the biggest issues is the app, many users use their phones and The mastadon apps are awful in comparison to bluesky.
https://www.hostinger.com/tutorials/how-to-host-a-bluesky-pds
Bluesky is not decentralized if you have to use their relay to access the network from your PDS
That’s exactly the thing, mastodon has all of these nerd things attached to it that most people won’t care about, whilst BlueSky doesn’t
This, right there. What FOSS fans fail to understand is that some apps feel like a jigsaw to use for people less experienced in technology. Some people barely have an idea about how browser cookies work, and they are expected to understand the concept of manually picking up a server to create an account on, and you would still not be connected to everyone.
Yeah, Bluesky has both federation and ease of use, which is why many prefer it over Mastodon. Instead of making someone search for a server to join, Bluesky gives you a default server which makes it easier for less tech savvy users.
bluesky does not have functional federation by any reasonable measure.
If the reason people only want bluesky is because it’s Elon-less Twitter then they are stupid and wrong (or just ignorant). But then they can move to the next thing in 5 years when the enshittification happens.
Yup, there it is.
If the userbase of mastodon is even remotely similar to that of lemmy, I sure as fuck am glad I joined Bluesky instead
My Mastodon experience is far more pleasant than that of Lemmy.
My sense is Mastodon is far less left leaning (but still left of center) but it may just be a product of who I’m following and the tags I’m following.
I would love to have an unbiased Lemmy. But this is filled with mostly extreme far left people I talked to. I also get down voted any time I mention most people don’t use Imperial/Fahrenheit, except 5% of the world. Lemmy feels kind of hostile for open discussion.
Yeah, I think I saw that post.
Lots of “it’s OK when we do it” sentiment.
I’ve noticed the majority (or at least the vocal ones) don’t really stand on principles such as free speech. And I don’t mean as in a “free speech” Lemmy instance. I mean in terms of inalienable rights.
To many here, things like that are only for the “good” people, as determined by them.
Have you considered that US standard unit users know that and it’s just annoying when someone points it out unnecessarily for the hundredth time?
My sense is Mastodon is far less left leaning (but still left of center)
Begging the question of what you think constitutes the political “center”, given how fash everything has become.
I’m too tired to hash that out with you.
Might be cause you’re bouncing between so many social media services
The actual center, which never moves even as extremists come and go, would be a little to the right of Elizabeth Warren, though not by much.
The actual center, which never moves
???
Public opinion never changes?
You’re always welcome to go back to Reddit if you don’t like it here.
You’re not, though. Reddit is Bots Only
Everyone something something bot
Reddit’s core business model from day one was to fake engagement. This isn’t calling your nan’s IMs a cyber attack. We’re talking about a community that’s been outted repeatedly for hosting artificial content.
I did. The userbase in most of the subs there is warmer, not hostile, and much, MUCH less gatekeepy.
If lemmy ever wants to grow and actually succeed, I don’t see it happening with people acting like they are acting now.
I’ve had the exact opposite experience except people are anti blsky and reddit. That isn’t hostile.
I’ve had terrible experience with mainly tankies, which infest this site to its core. That was what mainly made it so hostile. Aversion to bluesky and reddit made it very gatekeepy
I’ve had less toxic experiences on reddit. Here I’ve had people use my post history to insult me and I even had some jackass respond to me 3 months later after some change Firefox did to “prove” he was right. Even though he was still wrong. Not to mention the tankies and other troll instances. I deleted my account on reddit years ago due to the toxicity there and I still find it less toxic now than Lemmy whenever I lurk there. Lemmy is dying because of the toxicity here. My subscribed feed used to have at least an hour or two of content to look at but it’s slowly been less and less, and mostly just automated bot posts now. I spend less than 10 minutes a day here now because there’s just nothing here. And I know someone is going to be a dick when replying to this and I’ll just have to block 2 or 3 people again.
When Reddit happens to pop up on Google search results for something, I sometimes check my old account inbox. There have been two separate accounts replying to a years old anti-pseudoscience post of mine saying that if I don’t believe the moon is plasma, then I won’t be right with Jesus. Yes, really. Only one of them knows how to properly capitalize sentences, so it’s definitely two separate people.
At least on Lemmy, blocking two instances cuts out most of the tankie crap and the experience becomes immediately better.
lol you called dude a “Fucking retard” for posting a link on a 3 month old comment thread that you could have just ignored.
I generally look at someone’s comment history before replying to them to see if it’s even worth a reply. The internet has been and always will be (without heavy authoritarian moderation) full of trolls, Bad Faith Actors, and idiots. Block everyone, cry victim, whatever makes you feel better. Maybe if you keep running into assholes and trolls you should reflect on your comment history and how you interact with people online. The kind of comments you feel the need to comment back to (because you don’t need to comment on anything, like ever) you don’t need to.
It’s wild that you don’t have the self-reflection to realize that your comments calling people “retards” and “morons” perpetuate the same toxicity that you’re complaining about.
Welcome to the Internet though.
I like Masodon but the user experience on Bluesky is easier and great block tools too. I don’t mind Mastodon not being mainstream, it is kinda good to have niche parts of the net still.
Nice profile picture! Do you have any suggestions of content to find on Mastodon? I’m pretty new there and I can’t find anything interesting when I open the app.
Try going to the home page of instances of accounts you like (or of instances that seem interesting) and browsing their federated feed (tap globe for “live feed” then hit “all”), you can discover tons that way.
As a general mastodon instance mas.to looks good and is a nice size with a good stable history.
You can find established, more established instances on the fediverse by surfing around a bit fedidb
Bluesky has its own federation protocol.
I’ll be more excited about that when they start allowing larger federated instances.
I haven’t read a ton about it, I have to admit, but last I read, federated instances are limited in number of accounts.
More generally, the idea that taking crypto bro money will allow them to stay as open as Mastodon sounds unlikely to me.
