House Democrats on Tuesday said they do not plan to save Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) when a vote on ousting him from the top spot hits the floor later in the day.

Emerging from a more than two-hour meeting in the Capitol, House Democrats said they will vote to oust McCarthy from the Speakership.

“We are following our leader and we are not saving Kevin McCarthy,” Rep. Pramila Jayapal, chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, told reporters.

Asked if a decision was made as a caucus not to support McCarthy, Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) responded, “yes.”


This news follows McCarthy’s statement that he won’t give Dems anything to save his Speakership.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4235572-mccarthy-says-he-wont-give-democrats-anything-in-exchange-for-support-as-speaker/

  • @Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world
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    I think one of the most important statements McCarthy has said in this entire ordeal is this:

    “I’m a Republican. I’m a conservative that wants to get things done. I know we live in – our government’s designed to have compromise, but look, we are in the majority. You don’t surrender,” he said..

    This is another example of Republicans saying the quiet part out loud. Again. He blatantly and specifically said that the party knows they’re supposed to be compromising, but they just don’t want to.

    It’s sad to say, but this is what politics has become in this country. You’re either in the majority or you might as well just stay home. But McCarthy himself has now said that compromise with the minority party isn’t a thing, Democrats need to remember this next time they have full control. Fuck even attempting to compromise with Republicans as they’ve made it clear that they have no intentions of compromising with you when the shoe is on the other foot.

    The Democrats need to seize full control in 2024, and when McCarthy isn’t in power any more and complains about the Democrat majority, they can just respond by throwing his own words back at him.

    • Admiral Patrick
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      when McCarthy isn’t in power any more and complains about the Democrat majority, they can just respond by throwing his own words back at him.

      Didn’t Rep. Katie Porter already throw his words back at him and point out his hypocrisy about starting an impeachment without a floor vote?

      Same for McConnell when RBG died and was hastily replaced right before an election when Obama was denied an appointment with nearly a year left in his term. His hypocrisy was similarly called out.

      In both cases, they don’t care. I’m not saying we shouldn’t call it out every time, but we shouldn’t expect it to be some kind of “gotcha” moment either. They’re completely unfazed by it, and the people who vote them in don’t seem to care.

      If I had a point when I started typing this out, I’ve lost it. lol

      • @Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world
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        Oh, I know they don’t care. All I’m saying is that every time he complains about the Democrat majority (and he will complain), the Dems can just respond by reading off his own quote, then going back to giving as much of a shit about his opinion as he’s showing for theirs.

        • @KevonLooney@lemm.ee
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          Don’t read his quote. Don’t give him any attention. Just act.

          Any amount of time you spend on things that are not your priority is a victory for the other side. Don’t spend a minute talking about him.

          • @Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world
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            Democrats: “We are here in the House today to vote on…”

            McCarthy/GOP (interrupts): “This is not fair. Republicans were not consulted on…”

            Democrat speaker (interrupts): “Our government’s designed to have compromise, but look, we are in the majority. You don’t surrender. As I was saying, we are here in the house today to…”

            That’s it. No time wasted. Shut him down before he finishes his first sentence.

            • @KevonLooney@lemm.ee
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              No, just gavel them out of order. You can’t legitimately interrupt the person speaking for any reason. That’s the purpose of speaking time.

              Everyone who cares will know who McCarthy was and what he said. Anyone who doesn’t know doesn’t care.

              Republicans respect the use of power. They don’t respect words. If you have the gavel, just use it.

            • @Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
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              I get the sentiment, but this would probably put off some people who aren’t aware of the context. This might even be a trap where they hope those words are thrown back at them because they can use the optics to make it look oppressive rather than it being their own words sent back to them.

              Any opportunity that makes them look like a victim, they will grab on to.

      • @treefrog@lemm.ee
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        They have no sense of public shame was what I gathered as the point of your post. So calling them out doesn’t faze them.

        It’s still good to remind people of the hypocrisy, especially people on the fence.

    • Maeve
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      Constituents have been saying this for decades, but every time one suggests anything left of milquetoast, BuT mUh BoTh SiDeS move-to-the-right-againers complain we’re not compromising. 🤷🏽‍♀️

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    This news follows McCarthy’s statement that he won’t give Dems anything to save his Speakership.

    K-Mc: I offer you nothing.

    D’s: Okay.

    • Billiam
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      This right here is the most pertinent point I think:

      “This is someone who reneged on the budget deal with the President…” [Schiff] added.

      It doesn’t matter if McCarthy promised the world to the Dems or not- the fact that he ignored the deal he agreed to with President Biden during the debt ceiling (hostage) negotiations means they have no reason to help him. Guess bipartisanship being anathema to Republicans is gonna bite Kevin now. Hope you all have enough popcorn.

      • Buelldozer
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        He didn’t ignore it, he couldn’t get the FreeDumb Caucus to vote for it even though they should have. NO ONE can control those idiots, they need to be removed from office.

        • @nelly_man@lemmy.world
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          He didn’t need them to vote for it. If he was willing to pass a bill that would be supported by the other Republicans and some Democrats, he could have kept his promise. He just didn’t want to upset the FreeDumb Caucus and risk losing his position as Speaker. Ultimately, he acquiesced and brought the promises bill to a vote at the final hour, but it was too late. All he managed to do was enrage the extremists in his party enough for them to bring a vote to oust him, while also showing the Democrats that his promises are worthless. If he brought the good bill up earlier, the Democrats might have voted to keep him as Speaker, but his actions killed the only shred of a hope for that.

    • @captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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      He seems to think that democrats should be kissing his feet for him not being Gaetz. Like sir, we know that you have too much discord among your ranks to hold your position. You can be a centrist trying to create a fair balance with the democrats or you can lose your position.

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    House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) “definitively” called for a vote against any procedural motion to delay the motion to vacate, Punchbowl News reports.

    He also instructed Democrats to vote to oust Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-NY).

    The Washington Post says Democrats will not vote present and the caucus is unified.

    See ya later Kev

    Remember, Nancy Pelosi had an identically small House majority over the last two years and this stuff didn’t happen. This is not a “both sides” phenomenon; the two parties are not mirror images of each other.

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      Yep! Hakeem Jeffries can watch the GQP circle down the toilet a while, and only offer a lifeline when they’re almost drowned.

  • @aesthelete@lemmy.world
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    They should just elect a Democratic speaker. Republicans only work as contrarians anyway, and they should realize that having Pelosi to hate on and not having to actually have consistent policy positions within their party because they aren’t in leadership was a gift to their style of politics.

    • @krakenx@lemmy.world
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      That would be an interesting ploy. Conservative media could blame the democrat speaker while the republicans continue to block everything. But would the democrats even bother running someone knowing that is how it would play out?

    • @AssPennies@lemmy.world
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      Lie with dogs, get flees.

      And as the case is with the freedom caucus: Get in bed with them, get crabs (and gonorrhea, genital warts, syphilis, and whatever else Matt Gaetz has).

  • Franzia
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    Absolutely wild that they wouldn’t oust Gaetz for being a criminal who has broken all of their ethics rules as well but might actually oust him over this. Also I thought McCarthy was going to step down if even one person wanted him to - why would there be a vote held? The US desperately deserves more votes of no confidence type events.

  • lettruthout
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    I was hoping the article would go into who is angling to replace McCarthy. Who would want the job?

    • @Venutianxspring@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Makes me wonder if Beavis would want it, since he’s pushing for his removal, but who knows. It was a collosal pain to even get McCarthy in the seat, so I’m thinking it’s going to be a long process

      • @Zombiepirate@lemmy.world
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        I’d watch Matt Gaetz get repeatedly embarrassed just like I watched it happen to Kevin McCarthy.

        Gotta appreciate the little things.

      • Meldroc
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        Gym Jordan’s Congressman Beavis, right?

        Matt Gaetz is obviously Congressman Butthead.

        With Jellyfish McCarthy about to lose his job, who else would want to be up there? He’d have to either kiss up to Beavis & Butthead as well as Marjorie Traitor Greene, or he’d have to make concessions with Democrats, either way, no matter who gets the seat, the next Speakership won’t last long…

    • @macarthur_park@lemmy.world
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      That’s the thing, there is no one in the Republican Party who wants to actually be speaker aside from McCarthy. Gaetz and his MAGA caucus just want McCarthy out. They have no plan beyond that point, and are perfectly happy to keep the House paralyzed.

    • @Not_mikey@lemmy.world
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      Maybe trump would take it if it would throw gum in the works of all his lawsuits. The speaker doesn’t actually have to be a representative.

    • @kandoh@reddthat.com
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      They say the current whip, but no one would have the votes. This is basically a coalition government.

  • Queen HawlSera
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    It’s way past time. Democrats need to behave like there’s a civil war on and the GOP started it.

  • AutoTL;DRB
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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    House Democrats on Tuesday said they do not plan to save Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) when a vote on ousting him from the top spot hits the floor later in the day.

    Emerging from a more than two-hour meeting in the Capitol, House Democrats said they will vote to oust McCarthy from the Speakership.

    “We are following our leader and we are not saving Kevin McCarthy,” Rep. Pramila Jayapal, chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, told reporters.

    Asked if a decision was made as a caucus not to support McCarthy, Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) responded, “yes.”

    There will likely be a procedural vote to table the resolution to oust McCarthy or refer it to committee before the chamber weighs in on whether or not to boot the Speaker.

    “But in the interest of answering inquiries to my office about whether or not I would support Kevin McCarthy: he’s not the leader I would choose – he doesn’t have the pulse of the people of Maine’s Second District.


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  • @dudinax@programming.dev
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    There’s something about all this that stinks of when fascism in the past has used predictably partisan behavior to seize power.