• @merthyr1831@lemmy.world
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    301 year ago

    Is he though? Seems like the latest “oh my god he’s going down” only for him to be out campaigning like a week later.

    • Echo Dot
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      There is a disconnect between his legal situation and his behaviour because he’s too way stupid to realise he’s screwed.

      He did a terrible job of hiding the evidence of his crimes in many cases he straight up boasted about them on Twitter. He’s misbehaved towards various judges on a number of occasions and threatened the jury. So not only is he absolutely screwed, he’s making the situation worse.

      The reason he is still campaigning is because he’s really really really really thick. As are his supporters who think he has even a snowball’s chance in hell of getting away with this.

      It’s old really because if he believed it’s his own rhetoric, then there’s some kind of evil vendetta against him bey the evil left, in which case he should know he’s not going to get away. Extreme cognitive dissonance.

      • @tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works
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        I think somewhere in the back of his mind he knows he’s screwed from a legal perspective, but he also knows that if he acts like everything’s ok he might have a chance to be president again. He might be dumb but he knows the kind of power he has in his hands.

      • Queen HawlSera
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        81 year ago

        Or he’s banking on getting re-elected before the case can conclude.

        He’s used to this, first he does something blatantly illegal, then he makes the case take so long and cost so much that it’s not worth pursuing anymore.

        • Shadai
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          51 year ago

          Actually just wait, it’s probably far worse.

          I’d bet a paycheck if he gets reelected the first act as president will be to pardon himself. If you don’t think he’ll do it, you weren’t paying attention during his first term.

          All the more reason people need to get out and vote for whoever is running against him.

          • Queen HawlSera
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            41 year ago

            He “joked” about it, and about how he should be allowed to be President for life.

            Trump doesn’t joke, at least not in the way a normal person does it, but how a fascist does it.

            It’s a way of testing an idea, “How’s about you and me go do a race war? No? I was just kidding! Yes? Okay let’s fucking go!”

    • @Mamertine@lemmy.world
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      71 year ago

      The wheels of justice turn very slowly in the USA. His legal team’s strategy to keep him or if prison is to slow then down even more. Iirc his first criminal trial starts either this Monday or the following Monday.

    • @Bytemeister@lemmy.world
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      He will be found guilty. He committed multiple crimes in plain view of the public, those crimes were recorded on cameras, he’s made multiple statements admitting that he committed the crimes.

      The real question is, will he be found guilty before he dies? He has enough money to put up bullshit delay tactics for the next 10 years.

      • @InputZero@lemmy.ml
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        He could also become president again, that’s his plan. He’s trying to run out the clock on all his legal troubles. Once he’s a presidential candidate I’ll bet you every one of those Republicans that turned on him after Jan. 6 will suddenly start saying it’s unconstitutional to charge/prosecute a presidential candidate.

      • @NAXLAB@lemmy.world
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        I think it would be good if he did have to deal with the hell of the court system until he dies, burning the wick of hope until the very end. It would honestly be a relief if he finally went to prison and was able to make peace with his situation in his final years.

        • @Goo_bubbs
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          He would never make peace with being in prison, though. He’s a spoiled child who never had to face the consequences of his actions. He would lose his goddamn mind if anyone dared to punish him for his crimes.

      • @merthyr1831@lemmy.world
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        Well that’s more to the point. If he’s able to keep out of jail for another year and a couple of months (easy enough for these kinds of cases) he can easily be within a shot of the whitehouse. Not ideal.

  • @Smokeydope@lemmy.world
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    Honestly I don’t care what happens to T as long as I can finally stop seeing his fucking name seemingly every other day. I was so happy when joe won because I thought 'my god, I won’t have to hear about trump for at least another four years! Finally!" Well I guess that clock finally ticked down and were back to talking about the most…interesting ex-president alive today.

    Anyone else remember when Bill getting a blowjob was earth shattering and impeachment-discussion worthy? Really puts things into perspective.

    Im simply tired of hearing his name and seeing his face. Whether he gets jailed forever, gets away with a wrist slap, or dies of old age/gets epsteined before either, I couldn’t care less as long as he finally gets out of the spotlight permanently.

    My money is on a wrist slap but we’ll see. The rich and politically well connected are notoriously known for getting away with just about anything in the U.S. Y’know because they built the system and rigged it to be in their favor. Fairness is the philosophical tooth fairy, it doesn’t exist. I won’t be clutching my pearls about how justice in america is dead if he slips away with a few hundred mil in fines and 200 hours community service before he gets booted out to live the rest of his days on one of his private islands in bumfuck nowhere atlantic ocean.

  • Xusontha
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    71 year ago

    Well well well, if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions…

  • @DieguiTux8623@feddit.it
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    71 year ago

    Acting as a martyr he is gaining even more consensus. This can backfire… like what happened with, say, Berlusconi who got re-elected multiple times despite being prosecuted.

    • @Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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      No it won’t backfire. He’ll act like a martyr no matter what happens or doesn’t happen.

      The only difference is whether he’s held accountable for his crimes and pretends to be a martyr or not held accountable and still pretends to be a martyr.

      As for the cult believing him, same deal. Following the leader blindly is what cults do.

      • Queen HawlSera
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        41 year ago

        This guy acted like a martyr while simultaneously bragging about a “small loan of a million dollars”

      • @Rice_Daddy@lemmy.world
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        21 year ago

        True, I imagine he’d find something else to complain about. Although I also think that he had quietly slipped away (and not horde secret documents), people won’t feel so compelled about prosecuting him.

    • @yata@sh.itjust.works
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      151 year ago

      Maybe so, but it would backfire even more if they completely refrained from holding him accountable for his countless crimes.

    • Echo Dot
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      71 year ago

      He has all the support he’s ever going to get. His supporters are probably going to go ballistic when he’s convicted but they go ballistic most of the time anyway. He’s not swaying on the fence voters.

      He’s actually repelling voters while at the same time splitting the Republican vote. He is actually the left secret weapon against the right, let Trump do as much damage as possible to the Republicans, and then come on in the campaign time, point out but he is basically trying to start a dictatorship.

      • @eestileib@sh.itjust.works
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        He has all the support he’s ever going to get, but he will also have them forever, no matter what.

        Unless democrats muster really really good turnout it could be an ugly surprise again.

  • BaldProphet
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    01 year ago

    Hmm, I understand the concept, but this should be adjusted:

    “Why Donald Trump is Being Prosecuted”

    “Because he is accused of committing crimes.”

    Remember, folks, innocent until proven guilty.

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      In my view, innocent until proven guilty is a concept that only applies to legal proceedings. It’s a vital concept to apply to the state to prevent tyranny. But the colloquial standard of proof is much lower, We know he did those things, he’s even admitted it, and those things are crimes. He committed crimes.

      And, we can safely say it, and it will have no effect on the legal proceedings, because we’re not part of them. Let’s not muddy the waters, and let’s save “allegedly” in the colloquial context for things for which we have no proof. Otherwise, how do we talk about cases like OJ Simpson? Everybody knows he did it, but the state didn’t meet its burden of proof in court. In the legal sense, he’s not guilty, and in the colloquial sense, he’s guilty, and both of those things can be true at once.

      • BaldProphet
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        Either way, I prefer to respect the system that protects me just as it protects Trump: Innocent until proven guilty. Let’s respect this liberal concept that we enjoy that most people globally do not have access to.

        • @SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social
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          01 year ago

          I respect it by accepting the outcome of the legal process, even if I don’t like it, not by tying myself up in conversational knots. I, for one, will continue to say that he committed crimes, because he did. Whether he’s convicted is different matter.

          • @President_Pyrus@feddit.dk
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            I respect it by accepting the outcome of the legal process, even if I don’t like it, not by tying myself up in conversational knots.

            I, for one, will continue to say that he committed crimes, because he did. Whether he’s convicted is different matter.

            English may be my second language, but isn’t those pretty contradictory?

            • @SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social
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              I don’t think so. One is a statement of (perceived) fact. The other the outcome of a process. Committing crimes is what triggers criminal legal proceedings. At least, in a just world. There are too many people convicted by a court of law who did not commit a crime, and I’m not going to call them criminals.

              • BaldProphet
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                Committing crimes is what triggers criminal legal proceedings.

                Being accused of committing a crime is what triggers criminal legal proceedings. Many people commit crimes and get away with it because they have no accusers. Many others are defendants who are accused, but did not actually commit any crime. I’m not saying that Trump didn’t commit crimes (it’s pretty obvious that he did), but I am pointing out that it is the accusation and being formally charged that causes one to be prosecuted. In my mind, it’s an important distinction.

                • @SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social
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                  Fair point, and a good elaboration. That dovetails with my thinking, too. If a house gets robbed and there’s no evidence who did it, we still call it a crime, even without a conviction in court. If we accuse somebody of it, that’s a good use of “accused criminal” in the colloquial sense.

    • @yata@sh.itjust.works
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      What on Earth are you on about? Trump deserves to be tried for his crimes, and George Floyd should also have been tried in a court to see if he was guilty of committing any crimes. Only Floyd was executed in the street before he could be tried for anything, and Trump is still barely facing any consequences for his life of documented crimes.

    • @SoleInvictus@lemmy.world
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      Ahh, I see you’re well versed in the classic conservative tactic of “making things up then being angry about them”.

    • @BassaForte@lemmy.world
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      431 year ago

      Whatever George Floyd actually did wrong, it should not have resulted in him being killed by a cops knee on his neck.

    • @YeetPics@mander.xyz
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      Let me know when Trump gets choked to death because he may have broken a law.

      What are you, the king of false equivalents?

    • Queen HawlSera
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      Remember that time George Floyd was caught bragging about his dozens of stolen US documents on twitter? I remember it about as well as I remember George Floyd’s trial…

      Oh wait he didn’t fucking have one because they fucking crushed his neck with a fucking knee.