• @sakodak@lemmy.world
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    615 hours ago

    When you Google for “best whatever” and land on a reddit thread, take some time to look at the histories of the people commenting.

    You’ll find many cases where the only post they’ve ever made was for that product, and cases where the person posting the question also posts in the comments with an answer, like they forgot to switch to alt accounts.

    A lot of it is obvious SEO marketing nonsense. Trust nothing. The entire Internet is trying to scam you. Enshittification, indeed. This used to be a nice neighborhood before the capitalists moved in in the 90s.

    • @brbposting@sh.itjust.works
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      64 hours ago

      Good suggestion.

      I think the savviest of the savvy out there are both properly seeding comment histories and continuing to post other comments after they astroturf which makes it all but impossible to identify.

      Big bummer and no perfect solution I’ve ever heard of but we do what we can and can always hope.

  • @qooqie@lemmy.world
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    707 hours ago

    Because Reddit is infested with bot accounts at this point I tend to trust older threads over newer ones. Easy as hell to buy accs to say a competitor sucks dick

  • @Num10ck@lemmy.world
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    698 hours ago

    there needs to be a crowd sourced product review and maintenance website that can see trends of enshittification.

    • @parody
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      125 hours ago

      Let’s say everyone used an identity verification service to signup, like had to send photos of their ID and their SSN (national identity number) to be vetted by a third party.

      How long after the service got popular would it take for the most aggressive marketers to pay rings of fraudsters to lend their identities and/or make fake reviews?

      I think it would definitely start out great until it got big enough to be super useful and then the fraud would ramp up. I think an organization like Consumer Reports has a chance at successfully maintaining a low-bias product database, but the paywall is a big obstacle, as is the fact they’ll only review the largest product catalogs.

      • @azertyfun@sh.itjust.works
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        43 hours ago

        These are the pitfalls with the “amazon reviews/yelp” model.

        A decent implementation of the Wikipedia/FOSS model sidesteps this because it theoretically is run by opinionated curators. No amount of bots/shills can break the article soft-lock ounce foul play is spotted.

        That’s not to say these systems haven’t been occasionally broken through more sophisticated attacks, but empirically it seems clear that the model generally works well enough given enough community engagement (which would be the biggest challenge IMO, because maintainers can’t be expected to buy every product, and reliable primary sources may be hard to come by).

    • @grue@lemmy.world
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      13 hours ago

      The trick is designing the thing in such a way as to resist infiltration by astroturfing marketers.

    • RayJW
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      107 hours ago

      That’s why Tenacity is here to save the day!

      • @Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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        187 hours ago

        After all of the controversies, Tenacity was born. It first started as temporary-audacity on GitHub since it didn’t have a name. In order to decide a new name for the project, the lead maintainer at the time held a vote. Among the new names were “Audacium”, “Sneedacity”, and “Tenacity”. The name Sneedacity would later gain traction among 4chan members, resulting in a large volume of votes for the name Sneedacity.

        In response to the large volume of votes by 4chan members, the previous maintainers had an emergency vote, choosing the name Tenacity instead of Sneedacity. This upset some, leading to the creation of a new fork with virtually the same intentions. Unsurpringly, this fork was named Sneedacity.

        Sneedacity lmao