J.D. Vance grew agitated after a mild fact-check on his comments about immigrants in Springfield, Ohio.
  • @CharlesDarwin@lemmy.worldEnglish
    22•1 hour ago

    The idea that these putzes whine about being fact-checked. This is where we are at.

    And this from the bunch that wear shirts that say things like “fuck your feelings” and “facts don’t care about your feelings”. Then they melt the very second a fact shows up to negate their feelings about their fictions.

    • @Kbobabob@lemmy.world
      9•4 hours ago

      I agree.

      If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive.

      Post should be removed as it is currently.

      Edit: Apparently the site changed the title not the OP. https://lemmings.world/comment/11113006

      I’m not sure if there’s a way to know without checking.

  • @stoly@lemmy.world
    -47•9 hours ago

    I watched the whole thing. Nobody freaked out. Stupid headline.

    Edit: title doesn’t match the real headline.

  • @dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
    -102•11 hours ago

    No. Republicans loved that Vance pushed back here.

    This is not the win yall think it is.

    Walz did fine. Not as good as JD Vance but I at least wasn’t expecting Walz to do as well as JD Vance. Yall got the election if you keep the topic on Trump. Don’t get distracted here, especially when its an L or at best, stalemate on your image.

    • @Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
      28•9 hours ago

      Y’all might be brainwashed… Or perhaps you have a brain worm? That’s actually an official, well-documented thing omongst Trump endorsers these days.

      • @5oap10116@lemmy.world
        9•7 hours ago

        Unfortunately it’s not about who was the most honest or had the best ideas. It’s about who was more “convincing” to a “blank slate”. When one person has zero problem saying anything to support their point even if its complete bullshit, it’s easy to be more convincing. I still think debates should happen but it’s sad that the Republicans “win at all costs” mentality elevates quick talkers who will lie to your face and make up disingenuous arguments without a care in the world. Something something about a pig in the mud and wrestling it…

        Sorry about all the air quotes but it’s hard to talk about this stuff without them.

      • @dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
        -65•11 hours ago

        Convince people. The quick polls are already in.

        Walz is fine though. I don’t remember any mistake honestly. But the numbers are in already. We can say solidly that JD Vance did better.

          • @dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1•5 minutes ago

            Are you really denying the poll which has now been replicated on CNN and CBS instant polls?

            JD Vance won the debate in every reputable flash poll I’ve read this morning. For fucks sake you dumbass, open your eyes and recognize the political challenge before us.

            You’d rather muse on irrelevant technicalities than see the actual polls from the electorate. Small polls are in fact statistically sound btw if handled correctly, and the methodology of focusing on undecided voters is the key here. The election is close and we need every vote we can get to stop Trump, and you are blinding yourself to the truth of the situation.

          • @dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1•2 minutes ago

            You didn’t even read the article.

            A flash poll conducted by CNN and SSRS after the debate among 574 registered voters who watched the showdown found that 51 percent of respondents said that Vance came out on top, compared to 49 percent who said the same of Walz. The margin of error was +/- 5.3 points.

            A CBS News flash poll performed in conjunction with YouGov also showed Vance winning by a slim margin, with 42 percent of 1,630 respondents saying they thought the Ohio senator won the debate, to Walz’s 41 percent. The margin of error was +/- 2.7 points. Seventeen percent of respondents said the debate was a draw.

            What you, and your system of copera is doing, is muddying the waters and ignoring JD Vance performance.

            Trump dies in a few years, he’s a 78-year-old sickly man. JD Vance is the guy we will likely have to deal with the rest of our lives politically speaking. He’s young and clearly taking charge of the ideology. This is a long term problem (even if Trump is the bigger problem).

        • @rockSlayer@lemmy.world
          69•11 hours ago

          22 people is hardly a survey for a national election, and is a total nonanswer. I’m asking you what you think Vance did better.

          • @dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
            -40•11 hours ago

            Image, body language. Looking at the camera with the “Marine Stare” to show off with body language his disdain for a particular topic or response from Walz (while Walz’s body language was not nearly as effective at showing JD Vance’s weird shit).

            If you’re not aware of what “Republicans see as weird”, well… guess what?? JD Vance is, and he’s able to rally people with just a glance. It was clearly effective. Though perhaps in a “deeper” political look / visual communication cue rather than actual talking.

            JD Vance is the complete package. Walz is well spoken but not quite as emoted and not as good of a reaction to JD Vance.

            Don’t get me wrong, JD Vance is fucking nuts. But if you’re not seeing JD Vance’s good performance here, you’re at risk at underestimating the scope of the problem here.

            EDIT: Like… base things. The things people care about. Like, “Who looked more like a soldier” (especially on the meta-topic of JD Vance service record vs Tim Walz’s service record), JD Vance looked more like a soldier. Base things that appeal to the ID and not logic. JD Vance is spot on on these issues.

            I don’t think it matters because Donald Trump is the actual topic of discussion. But JD Vance’s performance is better than you’d think within a Republican mindset.

            Its fine because Walz didn’t need to win this debate. Walz just needed to punt and he’s accomplished that. JD Vance isn’t going to turn all of Trump’s ills away with one good debate performance either (especially since Walz wasn’t crushed or defeated).

            Walz needed to introduce his personality to the country. And Walz did that. Good. Take the W for what it is, but don’t overplay your hand here. This isn’t like the Harris v Trump debate where Harris crushed Trump. This is actually slight win to JD Vance IMO but Walz is good enough to not damage Harris’s campaign kinda debate.

            • @Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
              17•5 hours ago

              Image, body language. Looking at the camera with the “Marine Stare” to show off with body language his disdain for a particular topic or response from Walz

              JD Vance is, and he’s able to rally people with just a glance. It was clearly effective. Though perhaps in a “deeper” political look / visual communication cue rather than actual talking.

              JD Vance is the complete package

              That’s so damn horny 😄

              Are you a couch?

            • TimLovesTech (AuDHD)(he/him)English
              41•10 hours ago

              JD looked and talked like an alien making his first contact with humans. He lacks any charisma, and you can tell he doesn’t actually believe anything he says. And because of that, the moderators asked many times about his stance on almost everything being 180 degrees from when he started the Trump audition.

              Also I don’t think Republican = MAGA cult anymore. I also feel 99% of these “undecided” voters at this point are going to vote Trump, and are just reaching for something that they can say is the reason other than racism.

              • @dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
                -16•10 hours ago

                and you can tell he doesn’t actually believe anything he says.

                100% agree on this point.

                But that’s also not JD Vance’s goal here. JD Vance’s goal is to sanewash Trump. And he accomplished that.

                JD looked and talked like an alien making his first contact with humans

                I kinda-sorta see where you’re coming from here.

                Alas: this is the marine stare. A lot of marines I know do this. I think people in the know are in the know and see JD Vance’s mannerism here as charismatic.

                • @ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world
                  7•3 hours ago

                  Please, reconcile your fawning fascist fellating with the FACT that he’s the last popular VP candidate in American history. I’m sure it will be an entertaining, if somewhat nauseating read.

                • TimLovesTech (AuDHD)(he/him)English
                  8•4 hours ago

                  Charismatic adjective

                  1. exercising a compelling charm which inspires devotion in others.

                  I wouldn’t consider staring off while trying to reword your same lie as being charismatic. There is a reason his favorability has been under water the whole time, it isn’t because he was a Marine. I have met Marines, and I have seen former Marines in office that can have a normal conversation, and actually appear to care. JD lacks the ability to converse, and has zero ability to relate with anyone, even MAGA folks.

              • @Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
                12•9 hours ago

                Trump looks like he’s about to fall forward at all times, and his blank, geriatric, demented stare is honestly a spectical at this point, paired with his constant word salad.

                I guess that means Kamala wins, folks. Wrap it up, everyone. It’s over. Let’s go home and move on.

              • @Zexks@lemmy.world
                17•10 hours ago

                You all don’t seem to understand how stupid people vote. Or what’s important to them or most importantly HOW FUCKING MANY OF THEM YHERE ARE.

              • @fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works
                10•11 hours ago

                You jest but half a country are below average intelligence. It’s not outlandish to think that many individuals in that half aren’t really following what is being said or understand it. What they can follow is the visuals. How they look, how they stand, how they move; how they “read”. And a non-trivial number of above average people still judge books by their covers.

                I think the point the person above was trying to make is that Vance won the area the majority of people can evaluate and the importance of visuals.

              • @dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
                -20•11 hours ago

                Harris’s body language was far superior to Trump’s. And is part of why she crushed him so completely.

                EDIT: Body language is incredibly important to QAnon btw, because QAnon believes that JD Vance is not free to speak his mind. So these nods and looks JD Vance are doing are non-verbal acknowledgements that also plays to the whole “Q” and “Deep State” shit. Yadda-yadda.

                I’m not sure if you’re recognizing the threat this body language actually is, or the role its playing in this debate. Tim Walz certainly looks completely ignorant to it all (or at least, doesn’t want to deal with it). This is JD Vance literally leaning into Q-shit and rallying it.

                • @Passerby6497@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  9•5 hours ago

                  Wow, and I thought your first post was full of maga copium, but damn, this one takes the cake.

                  Who the actual fuck gives a single wet shit what QTurds have to say?

            • @rockSlayer@lemmy.world
              -14•10 hours ago

              I know you’re getting downvoted, but I appreciate this analysis. I have autism and don’t pick up on body language

        • @Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
          14•9 hours ago

          Ah yes, “the numbers”. Are those the same numbers that say Trump has the bigliest rallies? Are they the BEST NUMBERS OF ALL TIME?

          Yeah, you might be an idiot if it belive any of that. That’s your right, though. It’s a free country, for now.