Diplomats walk out on Israeli prime minister’s speech at UN to protest against devastating war on Gaza and latest attacks on Lebanon
including scores of women and children
This always assumes that there are no civilian men. I get that men are the ones usually conscripted, but… that’s always seemed weird to me.
I mean, a score is 20. I think that means they’ve killed two thousand scores of people. “Scores of women and children” doesn’t really do that justice.
It makes for a more defensible argument. No sane person is going to argue that a 4 year old child is an enemy combatant. But a 20 year old male? It’s easy to argue they could have been an enemy combatant and so maybe the numbers are inflated. Saying 1000 people can be interpreted as 999 enemies and only 1 civilian casualty. Saying 1000 women and children is usually interpreted as 1000 innocent lives lost.
Yeah, that’s true, but super fucked that women get the innocence of children and men are assumed to be not innocent in any situation.
Life is harsh when you’re a guy.
Given the Israeli position on military rape, it’s just a different flavor of attrocity.
But a 20 year old male? It’s easy to argue they could have been an enemy combatan
The age old problem of “excess males” solved by declaring open season on anyone with facial hair.
In Gaza casualty numbers any adult man is assumed to be a combatant by Isreal.
And a child is assumed to be a future combatant.
And woman a combatant factory?
They’ll probably start calling grains of sand terrorists.
Anyone past puberty actually.
Call to emotion, nothing else. Women and children “sounds” worse than “people” dying.
He is such a fucking scumbag. Fuck him and fuck the rest of Israel.
Fuck the USA, and every country too chicken shit to oppose a criminally corrupt sociopath committing war crimes to delay his own imminent corruption trial and imprisonment.
Fuck the USA government, you mean. I only live here, and all I get to do is choose between the lesser of two evils every 4 years. What a nightmare.
If you think you only get a choice once every four years, that’s part of the problem. There’s elections every single year, many of which you have more choice and more power over.
Maybe if people showed up to vote more than once every four years we’d actually see some effective change.
The US election system is set up for the rich and powerful to stay in charge. It’s ridiculous that there’s effectively only two parties, and it’s ridiculous that a single person, the president, holds so much power. No accountability. Their system needs an entire overhaul, IMO:
Compulsory voting Ease of access for voting Preferential voting Lower bar for running, meaning every citizen has the opportunity to run
The president sure gets the credit for a lot of things (the president signed this into law, the president enacted this policy) but in reality Congress makes most of that a reality.
There is also accountability… but only if the congress acts on it. Which is where that whole “vote more than once every four years” thing comes in. Congress has power… we just have not elected people who use that power responsibly.
The US election system is set up for the rich and powerful to stay in charge. It’s ridiculous that there’s effectively only two parties, and it’s ridiculous that a single person, the president, holds so much power. No accountability. Their system needs an entire overhaul, IMO:
so then go and push/vote for voting reform, federally and more importantly at a state level, shit like IRV is very much within reach.
I always hear people bitching about the “no choice” of voting, but they never seem to be around during the primaries, when they could make a difference.
or voting for all lol.
Some people just like sitting around and bitching about things all day.
Elections that can affect things on a national level are still only once every two years. I vote in every election but going off on people who vote for but doing it often enough is just stupid.
Yes, but those state and local elections have an effect both on how your state and local area does… as well as how those national elections are held. They are far more important than you give them credit for.
Don’t downplay them just because they don’t get national coverage, especially when they’re going to have significantly more impact on your daily life.
Well yeah, obviously. If you blamed the entire population for its governments actions then every human alive is guilty.
Fuck the US government, and everyone who supports their crimes.
wait ok, i’m confused why do we hate the US government? Is it because it’s doing global geopolitics shit? Like what’s the motive for caring about this, as opposed to like, stopping world hunger.
Like the motive for the latter is obvious, but i don’t really see the motive for the former. It just seems like yelling at a vast brick wall for no reason.
As an American I can assure you that there’s no shortage of reasons to hate our government. Don’t sweat it, just pile on all the reasons you want.
i mean yeah but like, what the fuck is the point? I hate a lot of things for stupid reasons, i feel like as far as the government goes, that’s something that i have a pretty direct involvement with that i can pretty directly influence change with. What’s the point being mad about it when i could be doing something about it instead?
I can tell you why I’m mad.
Because I want these atrocities to stop. And you know what I’m not given? That option. Trump has been a scourge to Palestinians and the Middle East as a whole, but Kamala Harris is spewing the same violent, bullshit rhetoric as the very man who was walked out on, that this thread is about.
Where is my option to vote for the end of this suffering?
And that’s just the topic of today. I could go on and on about how the the constitution allows for slavery as we speak, and it’s the reason we have so many prisoners per capita. Or how Hitler idolized America for its genocide of the native Americans and chattel slavery. Or how women were only allowed to have bank accounts in the last 50 years. Or the many, many governments we have overthrown or couped, only to install disgusting violent monsters who commit atrocity after atrocity. Or how we created ISIS and Al Quada. I could go on forever.
There are plenty of reasons to hate the US Government.
I hate a lot of things for stupid reasons
I had to check to see if I was about to reply to myself.
based. You and me my friend, we think alike, which is probably not great, but hey the law of RNG strikes again!
why do we hate the us government
uhhhh where do you wanna start. I mean pick a year between 1776 and now. Pick a month, probably.
june of 1832, i wonder what kind of goofy shit happened that month.
If he is still able to speak and be heard, then they arent loud enough. Every single person in that room needs to be screaming to demand his immediate arrest.
Good point, them leaving says I don’t want to be involved not that I want to stop the injustice.
No… It says “I won’t be a part of this”. It’s a desperate act.
It’s the only way they can express their revulsion at Israel, and the US who constantly block anything else they might try
Cool. Now do something that stops him. Going for a coffee won’t save lives.
The ignorance of this statement makes me embarrassed for you.
That’s ok, I don’t mind
The UN is a forum for dialogue. Expecting the UN to do something other than either say stuff or help by mandate supported by countries just shows you don’t understand what their purpose is.
Walking out in this case sends the message. If these countries want to do something about it they can, other countries might intervene on Israëls behalf. The UN provides a forum to discuss this kind of stuff. So countries don’t end up in wars they did not want.
Maybe so… but I feel like this is one of the biggest mistakes in the post WWII order. Imagine what things would be like if the UN had more teeth (and no security council)
I have a hard time imagining how that would work. Because teeth would mean there is a mechanism that could ultimately force countries to supply warm bodies to do enforcement.
Imagine what things would be like if the UN had more teeth (and no security council)
well then russia would be right about NATO lmao
I don’t get what you mean… can you elaborate?
If these countries want to do something about it they can
Yes, but they don’t. They go grab a coffee. Look, I know many countries are very vocal about their disagreement. I’m just so pissed there are still others (mine included) that seem to be absolutely blind to any of the atrocities and respond with neverending loyalty. In my county I even understand that to a degree, but still I’m beyond pissed. Accepting the genocide your ancestors caused and the moral consequences of it shouldn’t result in accepting another one driven by former victims. What Israel does is vile and unacceptable. And I say Israel, not the Israelis or ‘the Jews’, because I’m not a complete idiot. But there are people who might use the antisemite card on this. Maybe because they are complete idiots, or because they are off the same ideals and moral as the Nazis. And this behavior sickens me.
Well yes, the risk that is present is that if countries where to openly intervene and wage war against Israël, the US would intervene on the side of Israel.
Talking in the UN allows them to weigh their options, which allows them to make more informed decisions. Regardless of the subject matter at hand.
I’m not talking about war with Israel. But condemning them. Stopping trade. Calling in diplomats. There’s a lot of granularity between peace and war.
Do you think this isn’t a condemnation by diplomats?
I think it is. As soft and vanilla as they get. Meanwhile people are dying by the hundreds and thousands a day. I’m not sure if the reaction meets the required pressure.
Only the US (or Israel’s Arab allies bought by the US) can do that and yeah.
This might matter in ten years if Netanyahu hangs.
That sack of shit should have been arrested.
Cool, but did you stop giving money and weapons yet? No? Then your statement is as effective as “thoughts and prayers.”
Bro do you even know what the UN is?
Thoughts and prayers for the world?
The primary purpose of the United Nations (UN) is to maintain international peace and security. It aims to take effective collective measures to prevent and remove threats to peace, suppress acts of aggression, and settle international disputes peacefully, in accordance with principles of justice and international law.
brother AI is a solution to “solve all of your business problems with your business and elevate your business to a level above all other businesses” are you unironically reading marketing speak this straight?
The veto power in the UN makes it not functional. When China, Russia, France, The United Kingdom, or the United States veto something it’s done, without debate or “peaceful resolution.”
US using it’s veto power 34 times against ending the war in Gaza.
Russia using it’s veto power against using war in Ukraine.
When the big kids in the playground can do everything they want there is no space for debate or peaceful resolution, everyone else just shows up.
People are indoctrinated to believe that because votes are involved the process is somehow magically subject to meaningful reform and input from the masses.
A process where people were meaningfully enfranchised wouldn’t need to rely on something so abstract as votes. Voting is a process by which people are convinced to trade in their actual power in exchange for a piece of paper.
Thanks for this, that’s a fantastic way to phrase it.
Thanks, I don’t think it’s worded quite right though, because “in exchange for” implies the vote itself does something. The reality is that people are convinced to give away their power because they believe in the piece of paper.
The oiece of paper itself is almost worthless.
I only say that because I’m sure someone will want to split hairs over it.
The UN does not supply arms to Israel. The UN has passed many resolutions condemning Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians, going back decades. They have literally already done everything the UN can do, many times over. They weren’t a governing body with binding powers over where the US sends arms, or who France chooses to support.
So I’d have to say that your comment is less effective than their walkout, because it isn’t even properly informed.
The UN definitely has its problems but I’m not going to blame UN global representatives for the US paving the unilateral support for the genocidal terrorist nation state of Israel.
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