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In a YouGov poll conducted between July 25-29, 59 percent of Republicans surveyed said they would prefer a president under the age of 75. Trump celebrated his 78th birthday in June. Forty percent said they had no preference, and just two percent said they would prefer a president over the age of 75.
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Short of a major heart attack, Trump isn’t giving up one iota of power. Really helps to draw a contrast between the parties, where one guy is willing to step down and the other is prepared to crash the plane with us all in it.
He knows if he isn’t elected, he’s going to prison.
…or Russia.
Go directly to gulag, do not pass Mar-A-Lago.
This is depends if there are still top secret documents there.
A Russian prison would be a fitting setting for him. Hope he outlives his usefulness.
They wouldn’t throw him in prison even if he could get there. They would put him on one of their propaganda “news” channels and let him go to town. They can subtitle whatever they want for the locals so he can say whatever.
But he’ll never get there. He has a permanent secret service escort that probably isn’t going to be cool with defecting to russia.
True. It wouldn’t shock me if he did the Idi Amin thing.
A good plan B if he was capable of planning on his own.
I highly doubt the Feds would allow that.
I’m not so sure I agree that he will be held accountable for his actions if he doesn’t win. I think he still narrowly avoids prison even if he doesn’t win, or maybe only spends like 3 days maximum in prison, sadly.
I really don’t think his Supreme Court is going to allow him to have a custodial sentence. They showed they were fully on the Trump train by finding immunity in the constitution when it plainly reads otherwise.
There’s also the possibility of house arrest. I’ll take that.
It doesn’t seem like a real consequence. Also, what if he breaks it? Will there be a consequence for that? I don’t see it happening.
For most people, it would be a horrible punishment to be forced to spend your older years at one of his resorts*… surrounded exclusively by people who are happy to support him financially.
*or maybe “resort”, anybody know if you can stay at any impeached ex-presidential resorts besides mar-AHHHH!!!-lago?
i think the reason it’s considered a resort is because hes only allowed to stay there for like 30 days at a time, no longer. Since it’s not legally considered to be a “private residence” and that has something to do with it’s tax status i think? Which i think is also due to it’s zoning status.
I believe this is pretty common amongst rich people who own multiple properties.
surrounded exclusively by people who are happy to support him financially.
I think you greatly overestimate who would plan on sticking around if Trump ended up disgraced after the election and under house arrest. He will have completely outlived his usefulness.
I hope so. Maybe it would just be these four
He is not a healthy man, Trump will die before he’s held accountable for anything. He’s lived a long life of being a terrible person and the only consequence he’ll face for it is the stress of court cases through his final years and the knowledge that only 40ish% of voters would vote for him again.
Nah, the miracle of modern medicine with being able to afford the best doctors in the world will keep him for many years to come.
You may be absolutely correct, but we know for a fact that he won’t be held accountable if he does win.
I think it’s because he knows that if he is elected he’ll be President until old age and unhealthy living kill him, whether that’s two years from now or twenty.
“You won’t have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what? It’ll be fixed, it’ll be fine. You won’t have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians,” he said.
And who knows what the remaining government of Trumpistan will choose to do for his replacement after that.
he’s not going to prison, he’ll get like house arrest on his golf course
He’s not going to prison
Do they send 78 year old people to prison?
Funny, Pete went on Fox and said just that!
lol she was trying so hard to interrupt him. Cable news is cancerous bs
Made it so much more satisfying
I definitely would not be able to remain as calm as Mr Buttigieg in this exchange.
He’s fighting the fight within the bounds of decency. And I applaud him for trying.
“Yes, because our guy is TOUGH who sees things THROUGH!”
- MAGA asshats, probably
Was Biden not stubbornly refusing to step down for so long, until his party forced his hand? I think Democrats wanted someone younger than him in 2020 too. I think we’re giving Biden too much credit here.
You can bet that at least the last week of that was a matter of keeping up appearances. The transition went smoother than it had any right to, and that doesn’t happen without a lot of behind the scenes planning.
Must’ve been a supervetted group who knew anything if reports are true some close aides were told minutes before the official announcement.
We must remember that Biden is a politician who arguably plagiarised lines of a speech from Kinnock, sinking his '87 campaign.
He’s not some paragon of virtue and perfection.
His greatest achievement is also working with the Republicans. And look at how much respect that got him from that party.
dude i think every politican ever has plagiarized a speech. Even fucking trump, although i think it was ivanka? Idk, she stole michelle obamas speech iirc.
Also 87 was literally 35+ years ago.
Okay, so we can’t judge Biden on reasonable standards, or what he did when he was being a politician in the past. Got it.
yeah and 35+ years ago hating gay people was normal, i dont think gay marraige was legalized, the queer community quite literally did not exist in the capacity it does now.
Women certainly didn’t have the same rights they do now, the 80s was only 20 years post civil rights act, should i keep going?
Would you like me to criticize you for things you did when you were 10? Because that’s essentially what you’re arguing here.
It’s fair to criticize biden for the 93 crime bill, in retrospect, and in vacuum. It’s unfair to say that biden is the worst president in the world because he made a bad crime bill once over 20 years ago.
90’s america was going through one of if not the worst violent crime spurs in a long time during the 90s. You simply can’t correlate the two of them.
Would you like me to criticize you for things you did when you were 10? Because that’s essentially what you’re arguing here.
Would you like to say that a politician in his 40s has the same lack of responsibility as a child?
go ask any 80 year old whether they were doing the same thing in their 40s as they are now in their 80s. Go ask them if they feel like the same person, go ask them if they feel like they’ve changed at all.
the point was quite literally me just arguing HOW much can change in a period of even 20 years, let alone 30 or 40 years. Childhood to 20 is a relatively small, but significant jump, similar to 40-80
Willing to step down is giving him too much credit. He was pushed out because Dems know he’ll lose. The parties are the same. It’s just business. They don’t love or care about you.
They couldn’t force him. They convinced him it was the right thing to do.
Yeah like how convince people to resign after doing something terrible. It wasn’t Biden’s idea. You didn’t hear all the stuff he was saying after the debate? Come on
It’s almost like he had the self awareness to change his mind when presented with compelling, new information.
It’s what mature adults do
If you think the only way any adult can change their mind is if they’re forced to, it speaks more of you than them.
The new and compelling information was that they wanted his ass out.
Damn. You Biden’s #1 fan. And think so highly of politicians. It’s business. People don’t want to lose money and power. Biden isn’t immune to this.
Yes it was. Gold star for you.
I must be his #1 fan because reasons.
Have an ice cream cone or something man. It’ll help that attitude.
I knew it. You’re in love with him. You wanna share a cone with him and accidentally (but actually purposefully) go for the last lick together, pause and look into each other’s eyes bashfully, then proceed to make out. So obvious that’s what you wanna do.
Biden still stepped down, Trump never will. These are not the same picture.
They don’t want him to. Not the same indeed.
59% of Republicans want someone younger than Trump as president.
Republicans also don’t want Trump to step down.
At least they’re consistent in not knowing what they want.
That’s one from one survey. And even so, that doesn’t mean that’s gonna sway them away from not voting for the guy. They’d still vote. People wouldn’t vote for Biden so Dems had to change. That’s a big difference.
one guy is willing to step down
81 year old man dogpilled by his party during a possibly fatal respiratory illness.
Don’t give Biden too much credit here.
False. Biden wasn’t willing to step down. He was forced to. Just because he did it doesn’t make him a hero. He deserves to be remembered for refusing to listen to feedback until it was clear he’d be tanked by people like Pelosi, another Dem who won’t give up power unless it’s on her own terms. But we can move on from that mess, thankfully.
He was forced to, how? Nobody has the power to force him do anything.
He read the writing on the wall and stepped aside. Something Trump would never do.
I agree Trump would never step aside. I’m just saying Biden was put in a position where the support he needed wasn’t there and they made it clear to him. He still could have run, but he was made to understand that he’d lose because he wouldn’t have the backers he needed. Look at the cash KH is raking in. The right people let him know they wanted her / anyone else instead.
He was pressured to step down and then was ultimately willing to listen and do so. There was no method to force him to step down – he had more than enough delegates locked in to win the nomination if he wanted to keep going.
Or he made sure to stand strong strategically (as anyone running would do) and stepped down at a time to maximize effectiveness.
Giving an incredible amount of credit where there’s no evidence. Our politicians / politics aren’t terribly complicated. There are people who want power and they act accordingly. And there are people who want to do some good. They might be the rare case where they don’t get corrupted (Bernie). And then the rest gradually learn to live within the system and perpetuate it (possibly AOC; can’t tell for sure, but it seems more like it as time passes).
No, he was planning to run again. His debate performance was the nail in the coffin.
i mean, he rightly, i think did what was expected. The incumbency advantage over someone like trump, especially with having pushed SO much productive legislation is a really safe bet, was it safe enough to win? Maybe?
I don’t think people were expecting everyone to be super excited over kamala, until she showed up and started kicking ass.
up until that one debate, he was doing pretty ok. Not great, but not terrible enough to warrant completely removing him, which was why the DNC waited to nominate.
Sorry repubs… you’re going to have to carry this non-viable fetus to term…
If the Dems get a reroll, I don’t see why the Repubs wouldn’t be allowed one, too.
Excited to see JD Vance at the top of the ticket. That should be fun.
They already had their convention in July. That’s why they shit themselves throwing a temper tantrum when the Dems switched, having made an assumption that the Dems wouldn’t just not nominate a sitting President.
They already had their convention in July.
Where they made their VP announcement, clearly without an iota of audience testing.
But nothing really stops Trump from withdrawing and ceding the nomination to his VP. Or dying, for that matter.
That’s why they shit themselves throwing a temper tantrum
I suspect that’s more just because Biden would have been easier to beat and they’re sore over not being able to coast to victory.
But nothing really stops Trump from withdrawing and ceding the nomination to his VP. Or dying, for that matter.
Besides his crippling narcissism
The Democrats still haven’t had their convention so they still can make whatever chabge they want. If Trump withdraws, the Republican party as a whole would be withdrawing because they already had their convention and chose their representative. Another Democrat can run against Kamala up until the convention, but once the Democratic party chooses their representative, they would also be locked in.
The DNC and RNC aren’t legally bound by the rules they made for themselves. There have been lawsuits in the last 8 years that have established that. They can both do what ever the fuck they want as long as they don’t piss off the really big donors.
I was going to suggest that they could just make Vance the candidate. I’m sure that will work out well for them.
repubs had like 10 chances to jettison trump between dropping him from the party, washing their hands of him, supporting the investigations, and voting to impeach… and they rejected all of them to stand by him
Dems changed to Harris before actually nominating Biden.
Trump is already nominated. Changing at this point would be a much bigger problem for either side.
Even if they somehow did who would take his place? Vance has been very unpopular so far, and they’ve already had a full primary this cycle; we already know they don’t have anyone better than Trump.
Also it would make them hypocrites, not that they care.
A nomination does not mean that the republican party needs to back Trump. They could have simply chose someone else or even remove him from their ticket. It’s all in their control.
A primary is merely to check and see which way the political wind is blowing before the election. And nominations are not written in stone.
Dems changed to Harris before actually nominating Biden.
Show me the election where Harris was at the top of the ballot.
Sooooo… what’s your point?
Trump’s free to drop out and let Vance run for Prez
Almost a fair point; dems may not have rallied around Harris under other circumstances. But she’s only formally run one other time and that was four years ago and against a former VP (Biden). Not quite the same situation today.
Also the line you quoted doesn’t seem to have anything to do with the point you’re trying to make.
Because they actively participated in the deification of Trump among their base, so they know that taking Trump off the ballot would split the party (possibly irreparably).
… would split the party (possibly irreparably)
Especially since it’s a near certainty that Trump would just continue his presidential bid (as a write-in independent if need be).
Because Dems only just now voted and elected Harris. At this point, they are also locked in. Repubs already felated, I mean elected, Cheeto…
They can still have a spontaneous abortion. All they need is for old Donny boy to step down or otherwise become incapacitated
He’s not going to step down, so it will have to be incapacitation which I fully support.
I don’t. He needs to lose and spend the rest of his life in prison, along with most of his children.
Because Dems only just now voted and elected Harris.
I’m not sure what election you participated in, but my ballot listed Joe Biden at the top of the ticket.
At this point, they are also locked in
Nothing forces Trump to be president. He can quit any time he wants.
I’m not sure what election you participated in, but my ballot listed Joe Biden at the top of the ticket.
So this is an opportunity for you to learn how it really works. Harris was just officially voted to be the Dem candidate and that will be official on Monday.
Nothing forces Trump to be president. He can quit any time he wants.
Oh, he could abort himself, but you know that’s never going to happen. The party is stuck with the weirdo until the election, otherwise.
Harris was just officially voted to be the Dem candidate
By whom? Which voter cast a ballot for Harris? Which state did she win?
You need to learn how the process works… you’re being intentionally ignorant which is a form of stupidity.
You need to learn how the process works…
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The process selects a candidate
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The party ejects the candidate in place of a younger, more popular secondary
Me: “Republicans should do this, too”
Lemmy: ten zillion downvotes
Haters gonna hate.
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They’re allowed, but he needs convinced to step down.
sorry you gotta carry it to term, republicans
Best comment on Lemmy in months
And JD Vance!
You know who would be a President under 75?
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She is 59, you misinformation spreading tankie.😡
She do look good for 59. Maybe I’m just getting old and old is looking younger, but if someone told me she was late 30s-mid 40s I would’ve believed it.
She is black, and I’m told it don’t crack
There’s a pretty good chance that US politics portraits are taken by well funded and skilled photographer(s)
I’m back. Ok, yeah. Not 30s but I wouldn’t think someone was lying to me if they said 40s and that’s still pretty good.
Hmm. I’m sure there’s a phone video out there. BRB.
smells like someone forgot the /s
Even if she serves 2 terms, she’d be younger at the end than Trump was when he started his first one!
“No not like that”
-Republicans
i’d like to point out that she is 21 years older than stephen miller and stephen miller looks like this
nightmare fuel
That’s the shit thing about being pure evil. You age prematurely but live for fucking ever.
see: Mitch McConnell
“So, Nicki Haley?”
[suddenly all the Trumpets cast their vote for an over-75 primary presidential candidate]
It’s just empty hand-wringing.
It’s a good sign. They think Harris can win.
As a band kid, I respectfully request that you do not use my musical instrument of choice to refur to racist conservatives who want to end democracy.
Thank you for your understanding
Vance of course.
I’ma never Trump guy… lol
That song is stuck in my head.
Tulsi Gabbard would have my vote
Ya good luck extracting Trump from your party. I’ll be like trying to extract botfly larvae from under your scalp.
Didn’t he go all nepotism on the RNC and put in place family or friends and force out all of “the old guard”?
Yup. Lol
I’m afraid to look this up
Your fears are well founded.
Yeah, dont. I just did and its rough. I mean I guess if you watch pimple popping videos you’ll be fine, but bleeeeggghhhhhh
I think he’s more like a tumor, with his rabid allies being metastasized all over the party.
possible with right tools and the sooner the less damage it causes
It’s not. Trump will not let go. He’s a complete narcissist who is always the best at everything, everyone says so. Even with significant donor backlash–instrumental in forcing out Biden–he won’t give in.
Even though the GOP is full of tools, all of which are extremely right, I still don’t see a chance
Except more disgusting
More like a worm from your brain.
Nope, should’ve thought about that before getting in bed with him. Now they have to carry him to term.
These republicans want to get rid of candidates up to and after the 11th month!
/s
The way you phrased that reminded me of that old X Files episode where that little dude crawls inside the fat dude.
Well that’s an image one can’t un-imagine…
Trump can step down and not run. Biden did it. It’s all the rage right now
Trump (recently) received the nomination from his party, while Biden dropped out before the DNC. I could be wrong but I think it’s a little more problematic for him to drop out, although perhaps that’s just related to RNC self-imposed rules and not any actual laws.
IMO doesn’t matter whether they can or can’t, they already attacked Biden for doing it as if he actually was nominated, so that fully puts them into hypocrite land if they do.
But oh wait, they don’t give a fuck about that.
republicans will immediately engage in cognitive dissonance if it means they can make a funny haha argument for something
What’s the difference to the voter
I’m not quite a lib, but I’d still feel owned if he did, does that count?
Yes it does. So owned
It’s going to be hillarious to see them trying to get rid of him.
There is not enough popcorn on this continent for that.They know perfectly well that they have nothing left without him.
Yeah that ‘‘everyone is cheating me’’ attitude is gonna be great when they have to deal with it.
Sounds like they need to vote for Kamala!
Who are the absolute muppets that want an older than 75 president!? Here I am hoping for laws limiting it to like 60 max…
They know Trump’s age and they want him. Frankly, I’m surprised it’s not a lot higher.
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If you do not qualify for long term care insurance, maybe sit the presidency out.
There’s always a percentage who choose to troll the pollsters.
I think they see how dropping Biden has significantly benefited the Democrats and hope the same would happen for then if they dropped Trump.
The problem for them with that is that Trump will never willingly step down. Unlike Biden he’s in it for himself and has everything to lose its he doesn’t win. This would also be guaranteed to result in crippling infighting in the party and with Trump trying to go independent.
The Republican party is f’ed. That’s what you get for selecting a selfish lunatic to lead it.
It’s only f’ed if they lose (and don’t steal the election). So get out to vote everyone.
We absolutely need to vote, but I’m worried that some of these R swing states are going to pull some serious shit and just deny certifying the results.
We’re going to hear a whole bunch about “immigrants voting illegaly” and “ballot stuffing” or the good ol’ “the numbers (that we won’t provide) don’t match up! Dead people are voting!”
they tried to pull alternate electorates in the 2020 election, and it didn’t work.
If they’re swing state, they probably won’t i think. Because there would likely be some kind of massive poltiical uprising in response to blatantly overthrowing electorates like that. It would likely be deeply unpopular.
it’s a concern, for sure, but unless they try to pull some real bullshit, i don’t think it’s a massive concern.
This also doesn’t even discount proposing fraudulent votes, which im not sure would matter from a legal perspective, but if you’re just, lying about votes that you’re submitting, i wouldn’t be surprised if that was not exactly, clean.
The other problem is their convention is over. But I suppose they do have until August 7th to make the Ohio ballot with someone else. Good luck with that, guys.
if the Ohio republicans accidentally eat their own faces with their bullshit august 7 deadline, i might start believing in America again
It would indeed be better for the GOP if Trump stepped down, but of course the GOP decided that they ARE Trump, so they’re stuck with him for the rest of his life.
Do they have an actual platform this time or is it still “whatever Trump says we’ll follow”?
Well, if they got rid of him, it would probably change to “the same, but with a different god emperor.”
The oldest and the orangest candidate ever - lots of people are saying it.
I don’t think I’ve seen a weirder candidate myself. At least Johnson had the decency to grab his own genitals
This so what people are saying…what people are talking…look…Obama wasn’t a…if Obama was my age he would…sleepy Joe Biden would be rambling…not speaking in a coherent…oh boy biden…he has to be the worst…this is what people are saying…I’m probably the best orator out here today…the bestest because Obama Hussein and laffin kaMALA…sleepy Joe who stole the election…
💀 I think we can all agree, at least the best orator since Abraham Lincoln.
oh no, if they get rid of trump, and replace him with someone else that would be a subversion of democracy!!!
Totally ending democracy. Which is bad. Trump said HE would end Democracy, which is good. But the Democrats sound like Democracy. which is bad, but “ending Democracy” is a way you can attack democrats, which is good. But Trump said he would be ending democracy, which is good. But we can eat ice cream, which is good, but we’re out and only have frozen yogurt, which is bad, but we have crushed up cookies and sprinkles, which is good. But the cookies have arsenic in them. Which is bad. But they are sugar free, which is bad, unless you have diabetes, which is also bad, you don’t have diabetes, which is good, but you have PRE diabetes, which is bad, but you can get out of work for extra doctors visits, which is good, but you have to pay the co-pay. Which is bad. But your wallet is old leather and smells like your grandpa, which is good. But your grandpa died 14 years ago, which is bittersweet, and a touch melancholy.
I LIKE ice cream
I like turtles
this kid is like 50 yrs old now
im not reading all that, good for you, or bad, idk
You’re missing out on some giggles, friend. Well, it made me giggle reading it out loud.
lazy satire is generally not very funny. Mostly because politics has already satirized itself, and is inherently funny.
Speaking in the first person is better than generalizing, but ok.
unsure where we started generalizing, the generalization already happened, and you missed out on that meeting unfortunately.
Really? Where? Let’s not start with the passive-aggressive tones. I’d ask what rubbed you off the wrong way but I’d rather we stop if we’re going down that path.
So, now they want to change the ballot after they had their convention and picked their nominee? Isn’t this what republicans were screaming was illegal for the dems to do? Except that the dems hadn’t picked their nominee officially yet?
