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As white supremacists from as far as Canada revel in intimidating Sunshine State residents, critics blast DeSantis for his silence
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Please stop trying to rationalize with them. Please stop tolerating their hate. These people don’t care about logic or morality. The guy in the photo at the Nazi rally with the tatted face and meth teeth blames his problems on Jews. They only understand power. That’s all they know. That’s the only way they’ll be stopped.
With that said, can some of y’all come down here to Florida? We’ve got a Nazi problem that’s getting out of control and can use some support. They’ve been here this whole time in hiding, but since the government has recently been tolerant of their intolerance, they’re coming out in pride. They’re cowards that blame their own issues on vulnerable people. They don’t blame their problems on dominant peoples or cultures in power, just the minorities. So, with enough show of strength, they’ll go back into hiding or move away to Argentina.
Look at their little insurrection attempt. One Capitol officer misled them due to their lack of organization, and another officer fired one round. All it took was a distraction to jack up their plans and one shot for them to tuck tail and run. A coup failed due to a deception and one bullet.
Imagine if the real Nazis would have been stopped before they built their war machine. That’s where we’re at right now. Things can get soooo much worse if we allow them time to gain more power.
With that said, can some of y’all come down here to Florida? We’ve got a Nazi problem that’s getting out of control and can use some support.
I don’t mean to be negative but what can other people do? I feel like it’ll be difficult to motivate the average non-racist to move to a place where they might have worse job prospects, get ostracized for their political/social views, and get both harassed and potentially arrested/killed by the police for trying to protest against racism.
For real Florida already sucks even without Nazis or DeTaintis. Hell no I will not move there.
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What’s the implication here? Mass-shooting of right-wing extremists that martyr them and give fuel to further restrict and punish sane people?
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Talk is cheap. The real-world implications of mass-murder are not as easy as one would like to imagine.
What do you think is more likely, that the powers that be go “Oh, they were nazis, that’s fine then” or “Look, the left are the violent ones, we need to take away the rights of anyone who associates with them!”?
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While I would otherwise probably reiterate that it’s pretty easy to type in words on a keyboard compared to actually having to go through with actual actions, I see the real world and how it functions might not be interesting enough for you so I’ll pass. Have a nice day.
The world used to be a chaotic hellhole for all of humans existence minus the last few decades.
This is a somewhat disingenuous take on history as a whole. History is a lot less chaotic than one might expect. A lot of the common conception is a little like how the news focuses on crimes and violence. Like people honestly don’t realize how much the average European peasantry of the 1200’s could actually read or write… Not because they were spending their time penning novels but because of how litigious they were. Cities often created weird exceptions but even in the height of people being executed for minor crimes that violence was more or less concentrated to major cities particularly population centers that hosted the ruling class and those laws were mostly enforced on their dime because of a desire for orderliness in their own backyard.
While there are some advancements in development of ethical principles of law, rights of people to be recognized by the ruling elite, lots of healthcare and quality of life advancements particularly in food supply and sanitation … But as far as your average human goes adjusted for Governmental sanctioned violence and suppression of women we are about as individually as violent as we ever were. Some of the medieval violence even seems weirdly quaint by comparison. Particularly some of the anecdotes from the more successful uprisings of the peasant classes from way back. The Victorians were actually quite successful in red washing a lot of history to make it seem much more brutal and horrible than it was… While ignoring their own fairly callous expansions of empire.
Applying this desire to kill or be killed as a inviolable part of human nature isn’t supportable. In general the majority of people will put up with quite a lot trying to remain safe and non-violent until it becomes clear that things are getting worse beyond fixing and they reach a more universal concensus that they have a potential future beyond a period of violence.
Basically the sanction of violence being the domain of government agents only is your main hurdle. You’d be much more likely to find support in fining their asses into oblivion so they have no free time to march.
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Hitler failed his coup attempt too. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/beer-hall-putsch-munich-putsch Scary similarities.
The new Hitler is among them, and we should stop him before it’s too late
Sorry to say but I’ve made it clear to even my employer that Florida is a no go for me. To the point where I will seek out flights that do not have layovers there if it comes to that. Being trans and having the use of bathrooms outlawed forces my hand. A ton of industry conferences are leaving the state as soon as their contracts are up.
Apparently the nazi party doesn’t provide dental care.
Didn’t you hear? The master race has such powerful gums they don’t need teeth.
Lotta meth in the Nazi party, looks like a bit of meth mouth and a side of tobacco dipping to me.
That dude is so white power, he tattooed himself almost completely black lmao
He just wanted to make sure people knew he was a bigoted dumbass from a distance.
From a distance you think is the bigoted dumbass seriously walking around in blackface? If you’re unfortunate enough to get closer the context changes but the message remains the same, bigoted dumbass.
Good thing for him there aren’t any Jewish voters in Florida 🤣
In Nazi Germany, the guy in the picture would have been put in a camp before he could even raise his arm.
Because of his teeth?
Among other things. I doubt that there would have been any tolerance for his teeth or his tattoos. Also, he would not have been able to convince anyone that he belongs to the same race. He would have been exterminated along with the people he detests.
Who would win Old Nazis vs Neo Nazis?
Given equal numbers and technological prerequisites I would believe that old Nazis were more dangerous. Neo Nazis are just brutal lowlifes who usually turn to a hateful ideology in order to create the illusion of being basically valuable and good but held back or even oppressed by [INSERT MINORTITY]. Old Nazis were so invested in their collective psychopathic worldview that they could regard the extermination of others as something that may be pleasant or very hard or even sad but in any way just neccessary, so it had to be done.
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Do you genuinely have trouble wrapping your head around this?
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We need to get back into the habit of beating the shit out of Nazis
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Being a Nazi is not an opinion. It’s choosing an ideology of violence. It’s fundamentally an intentional violent act. Being a member should make you an accessory to a hate crime, and be investigated for criminal conspiracy if they come within a mile of a weapon.
It is an opinion it just is a vile one.
Just the Disney pullout of their Orlando corporate campus has lost the state a billion in taxable spending. Add to that the cancellation of multiple large conventions and the elimination of consideration for future conventions. Thousands of other businesses, organizations and tourists are cancelling trips and avoiding Florida and this is going to add up to an enormous sum that the state will never recover.
Lots of conservatives may be fascists, but I’d be willing to bet their attachment to their own economic comfort is stronger than their ideology. IMO Florida’s had enough of DeSantis and he is going to soon join Scott Walker in political oblivion.
Also, the military will likely remove bases there and will not expand existing ones or build new ones. They’re doing so much damage to the state, yet the voters can’t see it somehow.
Voters are schmucks unfortunately and a sizable portion won’t be alive to see the consequences.
Insurance companies pulling out too.
So whats the reason they aren’t immediately put in handcuffs? This shit wouldn’t fly in Germany
One of the reasons I love that I’m in Germany rn. You don’t get people casually joking about Nazis then laughing it off like it’s nothing. It is literally against the law, and people treat that topic with actual respect.
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Jesus fucking Christ. I’d say that’s worse than Florida in some ways. There was an incident where 50 teenagers went looking for black people to kill!? That’s straight up klan behavior! What the actual fuck!?
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Hey I think your keyboard might be broken.
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That’s right, it depends on the place. Very much boils down to rural vs. urban (as in so many countries) but it’s also a bit worse in Eastern Germany.
However the comment above is not wrong, in that there are definitive limits to free speech in German law so that you have more legal levers against nazis before they turn to violence.
we have this thing called freedom of speech that allows them to do a lot of the things they do
It’s more that the US is all about personal liberty and personal freedoms. Other places that you’re referring to have a charter of rights, which still allow for personal freedoms but are also constructed to protect minorities or at risk groups, like Jewish people.
That said the Bill of Rights that the Americans produced was first of it’s kind and amazing. Personally I just don’t think they got it quite right and charter of rights take into account the personal liberties of all people and not just the dominant majority.
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This has nothing to do with freedom of speech american
Freedom of speech. Everyone is able to be heard, even if their opinions are distasteful. It’s what the US was built on and why people can fly swastikas and wear klan hoods without being arrested.
They can only be arrested if they commit a crime, not because their views are horrible. You can walk down the street yelling racial slurs at everyone and that’s perfectly legal as long as you aren’t being violent or inciting others to violence.
That doesn’t mean society has to tolerate them - counter-protesting is alive and well, and Nazis have been fired from their jobs for their views. But the government can’t arrest them simply for being Nazis.
I mean, we also have freedom of speech here in Germany. There are (harsh) limitations around hate speech and insults but besides that you can say what you want.
What’s also a definite no are nazi symbols. Swastikas, SS runes, nazi salutes, etc. are only ever allowed in the context of education and art (like period films and as of fairly recently, games).
We also still do have regular day to day nazis in Germany and sadly the far right party AfD has been growing in numbers over the last few years, taking a lot of inspiration from US republicans in their talking points and rhetoric. Since July they are in a county government for the first time, having only ever been an opposition party until then.
Germany wasn’t built on the principles of freedom (of speech) but that human dignity is inviolable. That’s Art. 1 of our constitution. Only Art. 2 then defines personal freedom.
Yelling slurs at people should be conaidered as psychological violence.
I mean, that’s why a lot of counties have hate speech laws.
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I mean that’s a nice fantasy you have there but in America that’s just not how it works
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Is “Jews get the rope” an incitement to violence? Because these recent rallies seem to be hitting very close to what are the commonly-accepted limits on free speech in America.
Unfortunately, it’s limited to “direct, imminent threats of violence”. What we’d consider stochastic terrorism currently skirts by under American law. I wish it were different, but it is not.
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Becomes? lol
The guy in the picture definitely wouldn’t be among the first to be killed by the original Nazi Party. Absolute master race material right there.
Imagine being so ignorant that you allow yourself to be a bought-and-paid-for zombie foot-soldier of one of the most ineffective politicians to ever embarrass himself into hopeful irrelevance.
Whenever I get down about how my life is going- it always helps to know that I’m not one of these dipshits.
$20 says they have their nose up Putins cockhole as well, they have a thing for failed leaders
Hitler had a dim view of Anglos and Americans in general. He would have given these Neo Nazis a one way train ticket to the concentration camps.
America was a huge inspiration for Hitler.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler
It goes without saying that fascists in general are the scum of the earth but… Hitler revered the English in particular. He was devastated that they entered the war opposing him for this reason. The British empire was, in his view, a thing to be admired.
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I’ll suggest it ✋ DeSantis is a neo-Nazi sympathizer.
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white supremacists from as far as Canada
Summoned by intracontinental ballistic dog whistles
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lmfao “Scotty Big Balls” and “Combat Carl”. These guys are complete shitbags but at least I can laugh at their nicknames.
