But by some accounts from Democrats at all levels, backing Biden felt more akin to a death march to November than a rousing backing for a party nominee.
I’m gonna be real, I’ve felt powerless my entire voting life. I’ve only been able to vote for the “lesser evil”. I want real fucken cchoices that are real fucking people. Our system only serves us an endless stream of disconnected neoliberals and its fucken shit.
The issue isn’t that Biden stands in the way, its that no one is actually building up a reasonable alternative.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. You need to actually have a real alternative to Biden that enough people can agree with. Kamala, Newcom, Buttigieg seem to be losing out in early discussions and they’re the best chance to an alternative. Find someone, hype them up and seriously push them as an alternative.
I’m not against Biden, but I’m not necessarily against change either. I’m also not a Democrat, but I want to see a reasonable candidate to vote for as much as anyone else. But unless you can prove to me that the next person to step up is someone reasonable (if someone spends like 15 posts pushing lol Bernie Sanders at me like last time this topic was brought up… so help me… an even older man who disagrees with my politics is the last one I’d be voting for)
Pick someone, push them forward. Good luck. If you can’t do that, I’m holding my support for Biden because yall fools don’t have anyone else. If you can do that (and if I agree with your choice), then and only then can we move forward.
The idea that you want Biden to step out before a reasonable alternative is lined up is fucking insane. Start hyping people today, no need for Biden to step aside as you try to build up support to someone else.
Hell, if there was a viable candidate who actually wanted to be the Democratic nominee they could’ve run just like Dean Phillips and Mariann Williamson did. Biden/Democratic leadership didn’t prevent anyone from running against Biden. I would’ve been happy to see Witmer, Newsome, Shapiro, etc announce their candidacy a year ago, but they made the decision not to do so. That hasn’t changed. If someone changes their mind I’m all ears, but until then I’m not going to help conservatives by calling for Biden to step down.
Whitmer would be good if she wanted to step up. The main issue with Governors is that they are busy governing.
It shouldn’t be too hard to get a back-room deal between Whitmer or Shapiro to coordinate an announcement with Biden though. But what they’d need is public support before they start that push.
Make it real obvious that we’d vote for Whitmer or Shapiro (both look serious and Id vote for them over Biden and Trump). And we can start there. Let the elites figure out things afterwards.
And we also need clarification on who the hell can access Biden’s campaign funds if he does step aside. Ive seen some pundits claim that only Harris can access that money, if that’s true I kind of think we’re done looking. It would have to be her, even if she isn’t the best option. I’m not a campaign finance expert though.
And I think Witmer would landslide if she was the nominee. She’s really well spoken, has done some great shit in Michigan, has full control of her bowel movements probably, and having a woman at the top of the ticket when women’s healthcare is such a hot issue is a recipe for success.
And I think Witmer would landslide if she was the nominee. She’s really well spoken, has done some great shit in Michigan, has full control of her bowel movements probably, and having a woman at the top of the ticket when women’s healthcare is such a hot issue is a recipe for success.
Every candidate loses 20 IQ when they enter the national stage and have to dumb down their political message to match a larger audience.
Its a difficult thing to do. Running on the national stage is very different than running locally. Ideally we’d have seen how any of these candidates do a year or two ago, but there’s not enough time for that anymore.
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I agree, and I think most of the working class would as well.
Quick thoughts:
We start by informing others of the non-status quo views; all of us are born listening to and believing the corporate and military propaganda.
Then another next step is to not vote for the duopoly, with the long-term goal of a real third party for the working class. which third party will change depending on who you are talking with, but it is better to have alternatives that do not include the duopoly.
Many grassroots movements have grown and died due to following the person on top; then that person gives in or has been a sellout since the beginning. They became career politicians like the rest of the swap; we can all name a few of them that were popular.
We must keep to the grassroots movement and not fall into becoming apologetics or celebrity worshipers once they are in office.
The mantra I try to follow is:
We should focus our actions, time, and resources on Direct Action, Mutual Aid, and Community Outreach. If you do engage in Electoral Politics do not support the Duopoly (Red or Blue Team). No War but Class War!
You dont have to vote for either. after losing a few elections they will either fade off into obscurity or be replaced by an actual party that serves the interests of the working class
Cute. You think that we are going to get another fair election if Trump is voted in.
It’s obviously a Biden vote from me. But if the Democrats really think they can improve their candidate by switching this late in the game… As long as they don’t cause Trump to win I’m happy.
But I’m more than willing to vote for the nice but senile man who will keep voting possible moving forward. So changing candidates doesn’t actually win you my vote. And if you change the candidate to someone too extreme (Like Bernie Sanders), you seriously risk losing my vote.
I’m fucking Republican. I’m an antiTrump Republican.
Who ever said I was moderate? But I have values and Bernie is too far for me. I get that maybe I’m too far right… But it is important to note that Biden easily has my vote right now, as do a fair number of other Democrats.
Just don’t fuck it up with a far left candidate and I should be fine voting on your side this election.
I can see why Biden pisses some of you liberals off. But Biden has done a lot of good for my particular ideologies. Helping Ukraine, keeping US Foreign policy active (in particular: countering China and protecting the Seas from Houthis), without becoming too far left on any major issues. I probably can accept a minor amount to the left of Biden and still vote for Democrats.
I get that progressives want something else but frankly I disagree with y’all fundamentally so there’s not much you can offer me on the far left.
They would have to first realize that we are already a fascist country, then they would defend blue fascism just as long as they don’t get red fascism.
Yeah because this queer Mexican communist has so much privilege. It’s those that are upholding the status quo that’s doing the most harm to the marginalized, the ones that they claim they’re trying to protect
The people throwing the marginalized under the bus are liberals every election year, when they are promptly forgotten about until the next election when they are brought out as human shields to defend against shitty politicians. They are worse then republicans since republicans are openly hostile
It needs to be said because yall keep forgetting where the moderates are in this country. I don’t think its reasonable to push for a socialist candidate around here.
Except when those “socialist” policies are actually explained to those people, then they support those policies. While continuing to vote directly against them.
I’m sorry but not sorry that I have values that your picks would violate. But you can be just like the far right fascists and ignore my needs if you want.
Traditionally, far left Marxism and far right fascism are both the enemies of the USA. So I don’t like either. I recognize that Lemmy leans left though so maybe you’ve forgotten the place of the political ideology in the great scheme of ideologies.
I’m gonna be real, I’ve felt powerless my entire voting life. I’ve only been able to vote for the “lesser evil”. I want real fucken cchoices that are real fucking people. Our system only serves us an endless stream of disconnected neoliberals and its fucken shit.
The issue isn’t that Biden stands in the way, its that no one is actually building up a reasonable alternative.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. You need to actually have a real alternative to Biden that enough people can agree with. Kamala, Newcom, Buttigieg seem to be losing out in early discussions and they’re the best chance to an alternative. Find someone, hype them up and seriously push them as an alternative.
I’m not against Biden, but I’m not necessarily against change either. I’m also not a Democrat, but I want to see a reasonable candidate to vote for as much as anyone else. But unless you can prove to me that the next person to step up is someone reasonable (if someone spends like 15 posts pushing lol Bernie Sanders at me like last time this topic was brought up… so help me… an even older man who disagrees with my politics is the last one I’d be voting for)
Pick someone, push them forward. Good luck. If you can’t do that, I’m holding my support for Biden because yall fools don’t have anyone else. If you can do that (and if I agree with your choice), then and only then can we move forward.
The idea that you want Biden to step out before a reasonable alternative is lined up is fucking insane. Start hyping people today, no need for Biden to step aside as you try to build up support to someone else.
Hell, if there was a viable candidate who actually wanted to be the Democratic nominee they could’ve run just like Dean Phillips and Mariann Williamson did. Biden/Democratic leadership didn’t prevent anyone from running against Biden. I would’ve been happy to see Witmer, Newsome, Shapiro, etc announce their candidacy a year ago, but they made the decision not to do so. That hasn’t changed. If someone changes their mind I’m all ears, but until then I’m not going to help conservatives by calling for Biden to step down.
Whitmer would be good if she wanted to step up. The main issue with Governors is that they are busy governing.
It shouldn’t be too hard to get a back-room deal between Whitmer or Shapiro to coordinate an announcement with Biden though. But what they’d need is public support before they start that push.
Make it real obvious that we’d vote for Whitmer or Shapiro (both look serious and Id vote for them over Biden and Trump). And we can start there. Let the elites figure out things afterwards.
And we also need clarification on who the hell can access Biden’s campaign funds if he does step aside. Ive seen some pundits claim that only Harris can access that money, if that’s true I kind of think we’re done looking. It would have to be her, even if she isn’t the best option. I’m not a campaign finance expert though.
And I think Witmer would landslide if she was the nominee. She’s really well spoken, has done some great shit in Michigan, has full control of her bowel movements probably, and having a woman at the top of the ticket when women’s healthcare is such a hot issue is a recipe for success.
Every candidate loses 20 IQ when they enter the national stage and have to dumb down their political message to match a larger audience.
Its a difficult thing to do. Running on the national stage is very different than running locally. Ideally we’d have seen how any of these candidates do a year or two ago, but there’s not enough time for that anymore.
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It’s pretty much always the giant douche vs. the turd sandwich
Though this one is more the giant douche vs. the-turd-sandwich-who’s-fronting-for-fascists-bent-on-destroying-democracy.
Stll though…
Sometimes south park is so stupid, and sometimes its utterly brilliant.
Mostly it’s both I guess.
That’s because most Americans, especially in the Democratic Party, are disconnected neoliberals.
The system is working as designed, to produce the candidate that the most voters agree on.
We just don’t agree with most voters. And since there’s more of them than us, nobody needs to care what we think.
And donald trump.
This is how he’s winning. He’s the “rebel” candidate (and yes I know that is tremendously ironic for so many reasons).
How much do you wanna bet that the Democrats force Clinton as the next presidential candidate? Because age doesn’t mean a thing to them apparently.
It worked before. Right?
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I agree, and I think most of the working class would as well.
Quick thoughts:
We must keep to the grassroots movement and not fall into becoming apologetics or celebrity worshipers once they are in office.
The mantra I try to follow is:
The system is working as intended.
You dont have to vote for either. after losing a few elections they will either fade off into obscurity or be replaced by an actual party that serves the interests of the working class
Cute. You think that we are going to get another fair election if Trump is voted in.
It’s obviously a Biden vote from me. But if the Democrats really think they can improve their candidate by switching this late in the game… As long as they don’t cause Trump to win I’m happy.
But I’m more than willing to vote for the nice but senile man who will keep voting possible moving forward. So changing candidates doesn’t actually win you my vote. And if you change the candidate to someone too extreme (Like Bernie Sanders), you seriously risk losing my vote.
Not that the comment you’re replying to isn’t dumb as hell, but…
You’d really fucking welcome fascism over Bernie Sanders?
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I’m fucking Republican. I’m an antiTrump Republican.
Who ever said I was moderate? But I have values and Bernie is too far for me. I get that maybe I’m too far right… But it is important to note that Biden easily has my vote right now, as do a fair number of other Democrats.
Just don’t fuck it up with a far left candidate and I should be fine voting on your side this election.
I can see why Biden pisses some of you liberals off. But Biden has done a lot of good for my particular ideologies. Helping Ukraine, keeping US Foreign policy active (in particular: countering China and protecting the Seas from Houthis), without becoming too far left on any major issues. I probably can accept a minor amount to the left of Biden and still vote for Democrats.
I get that progressives want something else but frankly I disagree with y’all fundamentally so there’s not much you can offer me on the far left.
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They would have to first realize that we are already a fascist country, then they would defend blue fascism just as long as they don’t get red fascism.
Whatever helps you live with your privilege, buddy.
Yeah because this queer Mexican communist has so much privilege. It’s those that are upholding the status quo that’s doing the most harm to the marginalized, the ones that they claim they’re trying to protect
Quite apparently, considering how many minorities you’re throwing under the bus so you can roleplay.
The people throwing the marginalized under the bus are liberals every election year, when they are promptly forgotten about until the next election when they are brought out as human shields to defend against shitty politicians. They are worse then republicans since republicans are openly hostile
Bernie is about as extreme as Taco Bell cheese is spicy.
You would rather let Trump win than vote for a progressive.
Thank you for saying the quiet part out loud.
You’re welcome.
It needs to be said because yall keep forgetting where the moderates are in this country. I don’t think its reasonable to push for a socialist candidate around here.
Except when those “socialist” policies are actually explained to those people, then they support those policies. While continuing to vote directly against them.
You pretend like Bernie-bros haven’t been trying to explain his policies to me for 20 years. Literally over 20 years now.
But maybe one more post on the internet might help. Who knows?
Cool.
Being massive hypocrites about “no matter who” mostly.
I’m sorry but not sorry that I have values that your picks would violate. But you can be just like the far right fascists and ignore my needs if you want.
Traditionally, far left Marxism and far right fascism are both the enemies of the USA. So I don’t like either. I recognize that Lemmy leans left though so maybe you’ve forgotten the place of the political ideology in the great scheme of ideologies.
You prefer Trump to any progressive like all centrists.