cross-posted from: https://ttrpg.network/post/4222671

Want a 3D printer in New York? Get ready for fingerprinting and a 15 day wait

Assembly Bill A8132 has been assigned a “Same As” bill in the Senate: S8586 [NYSenate.gov] [A8132 - 2023]

I don’t own a gun, I never have and I don’t plan to at any time in the future. But if these pass in the NYS Senate and Congress, it would be required to submit fingerprints for a background check then wait 15 days, before you could own any “COMPUTER OR COMPUTER-DRIVEN MACHINE OR DEVICE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A THREE-DIMENSIONAL OBJECT FROM A DIGITAL MODEL.”

This isn’t even going to stop any crimes from happening, for pity sakes regular guns end up in criminal charges all the time, regardless of background check laws. How about some real change and effective measures, rather then virtue-signaling and theater illusion for a constituency?

  • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️
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    809 months ago

    As usual, I have to wonder first if anyone actually put any thought into this, and further if anyone thought how the fuck they’re going to enforce it. This is just manufacturing one step removed… Anyone willing to make a gun with a 3D printer is certainly capable and willing of building their own 3D printer as well.

    Or buying/building a milling machine. Or a lathe. Or a drill, a hacksaw, and some files.

    Down this road lies madness.

    • @GooseFinger@lemmy.world
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      449 months ago

      If they cared more about making our society safer, they’d pay teachers more, build more homes, quintuple minimum wage, make education cheaper or free, actually tax the rich, reign in corpos, reform the police, abolish for profit prisons, make healthcare affordable and accessible, remove money from politics, just to start.

      But nah, virtue signaling is way easier and is clearly enough to get them re elected, so let’s ban 3D printers baby!

      • @SupraMario@lemmy.world
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        9 months ago

        Damn it’s good to see this list. I’ve been preaching it for years now. Gun control is virtue signaling bullshit, it will not solve the problem because guns aren’t the issue. Our society is deeply troubled and we need to fix the why’s, and not the what tool was used.

        I’d wager UBI and single payer safety nets alone would have violence over all drop by 50+%

        • @uis@lemm.ee
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          29 months ago

          *Nods from other side of Pacific bathtub*

          I know one European country with a lot of guns that does not have problems with gun violence. Although gun violence had spiked in last few years due to uhh… external actors. Obviously I’m talking about Ukraine.

          • @SupraMario@lemmy.world
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            39 months ago

            Yep, and what do these euro counter parts have? Safety nets and logical shit that helps their people when they’re down on their luck. Here in the USA everyone is to busy fighting over the scraps that are thrown our way.

      • @uis@lemm.ee
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        09 months ago

        build more homes, quintuple minimum wage, make education cheaper or free, actually tax the rich, reign in corpos, reform the police, abolish for profit prisons, make healthcare affordable and accessible, remove money from politics, just to start.

        Even rightwingers here demand more: build homes for everyone, tenfold minimum wage, more funding for universal education, more funding for UHC.

    • astraeus
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      109 months ago

      Or even better, just going across the state line and buying one.

      • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️
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        Don’t tempt them. New York cops will already pull over cars crossing the bridges and have been known to fine and/or arrest people for bringing in cigarettes bought out of state.

        God forbid this passes and then they track you leaving the Microcenter in Paterson, NJ. They’ll probably call in a SWAT team and a helicopter.

        • @seathru@lemm.ee
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          179 months ago

          Or buying/building a milling machine. Or a lathe. Or a drill, a hacksaw, and some files.

          15 day waiting periods for Home Depot trips. You better plan those plumbing projects in advance.

        • @bamboo@lemm.ee
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          79 months ago

          Wait it is illegal to bring cigarettes across state lines? Is that not a commerce clause issue?

          • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️
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            69 months ago

            Tobacco is taxed at the state level. NY©’s tax is very high. Neighboring states’ taxes are lower. Or have been, historically. Thus NY gets unreasonably angry about this if you pay the cig tax to a different state.

            Mostly it’s just a pretense to pull people over and harass them over nothing. But if they can’t get you for anything else they’ve been documented to book individuals for possessing packs of smokes with the wrong tax stamp on them. Got two packs on you? Well, obviously that’s “intent to resell!” Book 'em, boys.

      • @GooseFinger@lemmy.world
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        19 months ago

        That’s a myth - It’s a felony offense for gun stores to sell guns to non residents of the state they’re in.

        • @imakeninjascry@lemmy.world
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          19 months ago

          It’s definitely not a myth. I sold guns for Walmart for five years until mid 2022. The only people I couldn’t sell guns to were minors under 21 and residents of California, New York, and Illinois. We accepted IDs from every other state. And sometimes the background check was so quick they were even able to take it home same day.

        • @ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          39 months ago

          I think they meant “cross state lines” to buy a 3d printer. That’s a felony for guns but idk what the charge for “possessing an unlicensed 3d printer” would be lol.

    • @uis@lemm.ee
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      29 months ago

      Or buying/building a milling machine. Or a lathe. Or a drill, a hacksaw, and some files.

      Can you imagine world where working class can’t own means of production? But you don’t need to, it already exists.