• @underisk@lemmy.ml
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    19 months ago

    I don’t see how the current geopolitical climate results in any of those coming into direct conflict rather than just continuing to wage thinly veiled proxy wars. The only WW3 scenario I can imagine right now looks more like an intensification of the current situation.

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      49 months ago

      I do not see any world wars happening anytime soon either, given a somewhat rational (read non-suicidal) leadership of key nations. The original comment you responded to said that none would survive a nuclear total war, to which you replied that there have been wars fought in the nuclear age. This is true, even to the point of proxy wars between nuclear powers. However, they are not world wars, for which I think the original comment’s argument holds true. In effect the idea is that a world war would almost by definition have some nuclear power on either side.

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        -39 months ago

        If a world war can only exist between nuclear powers then does the first one (and most of the second) not count?

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          39 months ago

          No, but a conflict pretty much has to include major powers to escalate to a world war and the major powers coincide with the nuclear powers either directly or peripherally. I get the sense that you are arguing in bad faith here.

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            19 months ago

            It can involve the nuclear powers without them being in direct, overt conflict with each other. I’m not arguing in bad faith; I genuinely believe that your definition of “World War” is remarkably narrow and I feel I’ve been pretty consistent about trying to lay out my reasoning for that.

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              39 months ago

              Proxy wars historically have never constituted world wars by any account.

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                  39 months ago

                  Yes, that is vacuously true. If it stops being so, recorded history will end.

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                    -19 months ago

                    If all the nuclear powers aligned against all the non-nuclear states and waged a war of extermination against them, that would, by your terms, not qualify as a “World War”.