Mozilla is unhappy because the use of browser engines other than WebKit will be restricted to the EU, forcing them to develop two different apps.

For an independent browser like Firefox, managing two browsers is not easy, so it can be forgiven that this could be seen as almost harassment.

Also, the fact that the use of browser engines other than WebKit is limited to iOS means that the use of WebKit is still forced on iPadOS, which also increases the effort for Mozilla.

Source: https://iphonewired.com/news/746093/

  • @NateNate60@lemmy.world
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    That’s not a solution. It’s a way for you to avoid the problem. It does nothing to help the millions of people who are already deeply invested in the Apple ecosystem.

      • @LWD@lemm.ee
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        Not sure if it’s a fallacy if it’s about addressing people who have spent a ton on an ecosystem and can’t just devote more money to buy the alternative and time to figure out the parts that aren’t compatible

        • @SupraMario@lemmy.world
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          What parts aren’t compatible? And you can load Linux and Windows on all Mac’s. You can also sell your iPhone and buy an android phone with money left over… getting out of the apple closed ecosystem is cheaper than sticking with it.

          • @NateNate60@lemmy.world
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            For most people, time is not regarded to be free (i.e. not a cost). As a devoted Linux user, the adage that “Linux is only free if you don’t value your time” is absolutely true.

              • @NateNate60@lemmy.world
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                Learning Windows is still a time cost. You’re also losing your library of Mac software and quite a few interoperability features between your other Apple products.

                • @SupraMario@lemmy.world
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                  ??? So you’re plan is to just say fuck it, and continue to be fucked over by apple? The fuck logic is that? Almost all software has a replacement in windows/Linux. I work in all 3 ecosystems, there is very little that lacks an alternative in each os. Sticking to osx/iOS is just a cop out.

                  • @NateNate60@lemmy.world
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                    No. My argument is that if Apple isn’t going to open up their ecosystem to genuine competition and genuine interoperability then they need to have their hand forced through regulation.

                    Telling people to just stop buying Apple products is a lazy, knee-jerk self-righteous response that ignores the realities of platform lock-in.

                  • @deranger@sh.itjust.works
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                    You’re incorrect. Tons of apps are native ARM on Mac now, also rosetta2 emulation is really fast. Obviously not as fast as native ARM but it surprised me.

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                    I’m not the parent commenter, but Apple Silicon has much wider app support than ARM on Windows. There’s also Rosetta, which works alright, I suppose. Not spectacularly and usually not anywhere near native performance but it’s at least okay.

      • @NateNate60@lemmy.world
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        No, it’s not a sunk-cost fallacy.

        If you already have a bunch of Apple stuff, it makes more sense to continue using Apple stuff, because switching would cost money and effort. You’d also lose access to the software library that you paid for.

        Having a bunch of Apple stuff also makes buying more Apple stuff in the future a better value proposition because you gain access to features that you wouldn’t otherwise have. Platform lock-in is not a sunk-cost fallacy. You’re just uninformed and being smug about it.

        The sunk cost fallacy only applies when stopping is free or the cost is low enough (in money or effort) that it makes more sense to quit than continue.

    • @MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world
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      You cannot root out the evil from within such massive companies. Nvidia still has a stranglehold on the market with CUDA. Literally the only thing one can do is to employ their wallet towards more fruitful endeavours, like donating and purchasing Android in this case. People who are invested into Apple are going to have to face that they made a choice moving away from freedom, even though I understand that staying the odd one out socially isn’t a lot of fun. There’s nothing to be done here unless someone with a lot of money and lawyers sues Apple. Know anyone willing to do that?

    • TWeaK
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      111 months ago

      That is the solution though, always has been. Vote with your wallet.

      • @WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
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        Yeah, let’s ignore the entire history of labor, environmental, safety, and product regulations, and believe everything is the way it is because of our dogmatic free market feefees.

        • TWeaK
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          111 months ago

          Lol for a moment there I thought I was going off the rails with my puffa jacket rant above, but your segway into “free market feefees” is far more unhinged.

        • @Jumuta@sh.itjust.works
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          free market works when the market is actually free.

          As soon as entry costs are introduced into the market, the free market falls apart.

          Think of the costs of building factories, rnd, lawyers, etc.

        • TWeaK
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          311 months ago

          Lol that’s basically the Brave attitude, drown out the controversy with a marketing campaign and pull in more new unsuspecting users than the ones you lose.

      • @Jumuta@sh.itjust.works
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        voting with your wallet doesn’t work when most people would buy anyway (whether it’s because they’re ignorant, trapped to do so, etc)

        The minority of people that actually care and know about privacy and software freedom is just a tiny statistic in Apple’s perspective, so voting with your wallet doesn’t work.

        • TWeaK
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          -111 months ago

          “My actions mean nothing because everyone else won’t do it” is exactly what everyone else is thinking.

          You’re making excuses. Be the change you know should happen. Don’t be a sheep.

          Don’t buy puffa jackets. Seriously. They’re fucking everywhere now. Don’t do it, you don’t need it, they’re cheap and overpriced.

          • @Jumuta@sh.itjust.works
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            I’m already taking actions, but I do it with the understanding that it won’t make much of a difference.

            I’m sorry to break your bubble but most people just don’t care. They want their computer to play a video off the internet, and don’t care how long that takes as long as it works. Maybe they’ll care about things in the specific interests they have, but they won’t care about computers, software, and libre software.

            We, people that care about software freedom are a minority and we need to accept that. And the only way to get things done when you’re in the minority is to borrow power from the majority, e.g. by passing legislation.

            • TWeaK
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              011 months ago

              Most people not caring isn’t a concern of mine. Apple being wealthy isn’t a concern of mine. What concerns me is that the products I use flourish and develop in ways that I like. I don’t use Apple, so I don’t particularly care about them - I just watch the drama from the sidelines.

              You’re not bursting my bubble in any way, but you are being a little pretentious.

                • TWeaK
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                  111 months ago

                  The solution is to realise that Apple aren’t the company for you and move away from them. Support products that fit your ethos. Don’t worry about the ones that don’t and leave them behind.

      • Rikudou_SageA
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        I do, haven’t seen any changes on anything yet. Apple is still popular, Nestlé is still fucking wealthy, our local billionaire/politician is most likely gonna win the next election (not Trump, I’m not from the US).

        Me voting with my wallet has had exactly zero impact on anyone else but me and my immediate family.

        So, maybe, just maybe, stop repeating this nonsense. Not enough people care for your or mine boycott to make a difference. And no, the answer isn’t another cool cliché like “educate them”. They don’t care and never will, most people just want stuff to be easy.

        In conclusion, “vote with your wallet” is a stupid idea, it doesn’t change anything.

        • TWeaK
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          111 months ago

          Apple is still popular. Nestle is still wealthy. But are you contributing to that wealth? Are you responsible?

          Take responsibility for what you do, don’t concern yourself with what others are doing.

          Support and spend good money on things that are worthwhile. Focus on growing those good things, not worrying about how other things are maybe bigger because of artificial and manipulated inflation.

          The one delivering nonsense here is you. You’re incredibly pessimistic. I hope you find some happiness - even if that happens to be through buying Apple watches and Nestle chocolate milk.

          • Rikudou_SageA
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            I’m not pessimistic, just look around you. Most people choose the path of the least resistance and scummy companies weaponising psychology against us are happy to provide them.

    • @takeda@lemmy.world
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      Then deinvest?

      What a fucking argument. “Yes, it is a problem, but it is too hard for me to do anything about it, someone else should fix it”