Did you look at the website? They have products in the market. They have them in warehouses. They are sensors using fractions of power. But it’s still a product.

Yes I did… if you read my post, you would know that. Keep in mind that I even went to the Ossa site and ASKED to purchase it. I even utilized my companies name to do it. So if they don’t respond to business to business purchases, they don’t have a product. And guess what! still no response.

The videos showing it, the patents and again products.

You do not need a functional product to apply for a patent. Most patents are patented before they’re commercially viable… and most patents never go to market.

They do change though. In space things work differently. And they also don’t change but have been incorrectly observed. The way we see things. Experiment and then prove that when x does this y does this. But sometimes x does something because r was present but we didn’t know that.

No they don’t. Period. Nothing in “space” works any different than on Earth. We’re talking about laws of physics. Not some random nerds observation of some very particular event. The LAWS of PHYSICS say this is impossible.

But this is a pointless argument. You are set in your ways. Science is great. I’m still invested in it and will purchase the product when it comes to market.

So what is it? is it on market, in warehouses etc… or is it unreleased and not on the market yet? You can’t have it both ways.

I’ll wait. Check out reviews and then go from there. Either they have managed to overcome the limitations or they haven’t.

They haven’t. They admitted they haven’t. Did you read my link? And you clearly didn’t wait and check out the reviews. You said you invested in them… That’s the opposite of waiting.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4031486-energous-admits-wattup-unsafe-for-humans-and-cannot-get-fcc-approval

Let me help you and quote the parts that matter to show how absurd you are.

4. Energous knows that the RF energy density levels are unsafe to humans and in excess to what the FCC can approve. The company proposes to address this by incorporating a sensor system in the transmitter that “will detect the presence of people (and pets) within or near virtual buffer region”. This vision is illustrated in Figure 6 where Case 1 allows charging (nothing near the target device), Case 2 does not allow charging (due to the couch blocking the view), Case 3 may allow charging depending on the distance between the receiver and the couch, and Case 4 does not allow charging (due to the cat being close by).

So it cannot work in the presence of people and they acknowledge that. Let’s say this goes to market, everyone has one in the house now. How long before it fails to detect a 4 year old until it cooks the kids brain and it’s pulled off the market? This literally isn’t going to make it to mass market. It will NEVER happen, this CANNOT make it to market simply because it’s not possible for the device to know where humans/pets/living creatures/AND EVEN PLANTS are in order to not fry them. Lick a nine volt battery… Then realize you want the air to literally be that.

This ALREADY proves that all the marketing is false. That every video that they have showing people in the same fucking room as a charging device is a LIE, so what evidence do they have of it being functional/working? Yet here you are sucking the corporate dick on this and not understanding that it’s not just science that’s against them. It’s literally everything… Hell here’s ANOTHER issue that they’ve yet to address… Wattup works at the 5.75 Ghz frequency. This is dead in between 5Ghz and 6Ghz wifi. Considering the power they’re putting into the air… any place utilizing this product will literally cripple their Wifi network. You think anyone is going to allow that to happen? What will you look at on your phone since you don’t have wifi but have “unlimited” power.

Edit: Oh and to prove I’ve read most of everything they’ve posted on their site… https://www.ossia.com/news

How many “firsts” can they post of the same item, months apart? Look at how big the receiver is on that camera that’s supposedly in production (but you can’t buy).

https://www.ossia.com/resources-library

Look at all the material here… Notice the complete lack in “firmware” and “applications” that work with the product. Remember the demo showing that it’s managed? Where’s the support portal for that? Just images, just marketing, just fluffy white papers.

Tesla, the famed genius who 100 years ago was scamming rubes with the same impossble promises wattup is peddling? Kinda seems like time has told on that one.

Listen, Wattup isn’t doing anything new. RF to DC has been around since… well, Tesla. We already use it in the insanely few applications where it’s viable tech. You might even have a few RF to DC devices bolted to your house, solar panels. The problem is that Wattup doesnt have a literal star powering their chips. What was the last device you saw that was fully solar powered (calculator) - how much of the surface area was given over to that component? And how big are wattup’s chips? yeah.

The power transfer Wattup promises is admittedly an impressive improvement in power while still staying within FCC guidelines, but go up one class of transmitter and you’re back to playing with tech thats been around for a hundred years. We already use COTS parts for this for indoor mapping, thats what RFID inventory tags are. Or power over NFC devices. It’s useful tech, but wattup hasn’t shown ANY devices that actually hit their pie-in-the-sky performance goals (“recon drones”). One hour with a radio physics textbook and you too can do the math to understand why its never, ever going to happen. it’s not a problem that can be innovated around, it’s fundemental universal laws here.

(I haven’t slept in entirely too long so my apologies if my prose is somewhat lacking here)

CES awards really are deserving of my initial sarcasm. Most of these awards are. You usually can’t literally just buy them, but the process is pretty much no different. There’s no evaluation of quality, effectiveness, or even basic things like “does it meet the claims made on the box” made before they’re given out. And I hate to pull the ‘godwin’s law’ of investor cautionary tales, but take Theranos. How many awards did it win? I don’t know, because I got bored counting after thirty, but they clearly didn’t mean much. And I’ll grant you, it’s not the perfect example I’d like it to be, because Theranos’ claims were based on medical biology and that’s a bit out of scope for what would be reasonable of CES judges in a perfect world and Ossia is first-year physics or the HAM extra exam.

What my point here is, is that we already have this technology, and it’s used every day. But the applications here are incredibly specific: inventory control, both realtime monitoring and loss prevention (RFID tattletail stickers are on everything nowadays) and similar applications, where it powers essentially an RFID tag that consumes power in the microwatts. There are systems that can transmit Watts of end-point power, but those systems are close range (3’-4’) and very dangerous for humans to work around. It’s radiation, man!

Look, it’s just physically not possible for them to be transmitting the power to run (examples taken from their website) [a television, your Phone, a tablet] over any great distance (more than 3"-4"), and have that device be safe for people to be around. Yes, microwave power transmission is possible, famously you can heat your coffee on a field broadcast transmitter, but it’s not possible to provide an end result of ~5W of power across your living room without incidentally giving you some novel form of skin cancer. Even their directed antenna tech just… can’t change the laws of physics like this.