Yep. Israeli militias used terrorism against Palestinians and the British starting at least that early. Those militias would go on to become Likud and crew.
I’m guessing you’re referring to Irgub, so please remind me when we started conflating the actions of historic terrorist organisations with current governments?
There is enough to criticise the current regime about without needing to skirt awfully close to white nationalist talking points which aim to suggest the state shouldn’t exist.
No no. Irgub and crew then went on to create Likud and their ilk. They are the current government. Anyway I guess if you wanna only count the actions of the modern Israeli state, it went beyond self-defense in 1948 with Israeli massacres like Deir Yassin.
BTW Israeli shouldn’t exist. That’s not white supremacism; it’s the belief that Apartheid ethnostates don’t have a place in the modern world.
The immoral disaster that is Gaza and the West Bank does not make one state a viable solution, regardless of who runs it.
You need to engage in the practical realities of the situation. Israel has existed for 80 years, so if it suddenly stopped existing, where do the people who have been born there over 3 generations go? That is as much a problem now as it was for Palestinians in 1947. Just because it was handled terribly then doesn’t mean we should repeat the situation. It also doesn’t satisfy the reasons for why Israel was created in the first place; to have a Jewish state where, in the worst of circumstances, non-Israeli Jews can flee to. And none of that justifies the continued blockade of Gaza, of illegal settlements, or killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.
The disestablishment of Israel is a white nationalist ideal. It is also a view held by other groups as well, but that doesn’t stop it being a white nationalist desire. Presuming you aren’t a nazi, you should consider why you are aligned on this.
There are so many options we could try before concluding that Israel shouldn’t exist. Jumping straight to the most extreme option is just displaying ignorance, or that you have ulterior motives.
Israel has existed for 80 years, so if it suddenly stopped existing, where do the people who have been born there over 3 generations go?
I never said they should go anywhere. Israel not existing simply means Israel, the Jewish state, not existing, not its people being driven off.
It also doesn’t satisfy the reasons for why Israel was created in the first place; to have a Jewish state where, in the worst of circumstances, non-Israeli Jews can flee to.
Something like that never should’ve existed in the first place. Jewish “right” of return is half the reason we got the current mess. There’s no reason Jews should have a country that’ll take them unconditionally for the same reason it’d be ridiculous to suggest the same thing if Roma people decided to build a state in India.
And no, I’m not a Nazi. I’m not sure when white supremacists coopted the idea that Israel shouldn’t exist given they tend to be supportive of Israel, but anyway it’s first and foremost an Arab and Palestinian idea.
I never said they should go anywhere. Israel not existing simply means Israel, the Jewish state, not existing, not its people being driven off.
Let’s think about this for a second. If one democratic state was created, and a government elected, given population differences alone and presumed voting along established political (ie religious) lines, you’d end up with a Jewish/Israeli government rather than a Muslim/Arab government.
Two independent, internationally recognised, and supported, nations is the only viable option.
Over a very long time powersharing may be an option, but that’s not now, or any time soon.
given population differences alone and presumed voting along established political (ie religious) lines, you’d end up with a Jewish/Israeli government rather than a Muslim/Arab government.
You’d end up with a government with both groups. It’d be possible to, for example, have a large Arab party in a coalition government with a left-wing Jewish coalition. And also someone like Netanyahu would’ve never won; because Palestinians would all rally around someone else.
This is especially true in a parliamentary government like Israel; the Knesset would look much different if the Palestinian population suddenly tripled.
The 30s? 17 years before the state was even established?
Yep. Israeli militias used terrorism against Palestinians and the British starting at least that early. Those militias would go on to become Likud and crew.
I’m guessing you’re referring to Irgub, so please remind me when we started conflating the actions of historic terrorist organisations with current governments?
There is enough to criticise the current regime about without needing to skirt awfully close to white nationalist talking points which aim to suggest the state shouldn’t exist.
No no. Irgub and crew then went on to create Likud and their ilk. They are the current government. Anyway I guess if you wanna only count the actions of the modern Israeli state, it went beyond self-defense in 1948 with Israeli massacres like Deir Yassin.
BTW Israeli shouldn’t exist. That’s not white supremacism; it’s the belief that Apartheid ethnostates don’t have a place in the modern world.
The immoral disaster that is Gaza and the West Bank does not make one state a viable solution, regardless of who runs it.
You need to engage in the practical realities of the situation. Israel has existed for 80 years, so if it suddenly stopped existing, where do the people who have been born there over 3 generations go? That is as much a problem now as it was for Palestinians in 1947. Just because it was handled terribly then doesn’t mean we should repeat the situation. It also doesn’t satisfy the reasons for why Israel was created in the first place; to have a Jewish state where, in the worst of circumstances, non-Israeli Jews can flee to. And none of that justifies the continued blockade of Gaza, of illegal settlements, or killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.
The disestablishment of Israel is a white nationalist ideal. It is also a view held by other groups as well, but that doesn’t stop it being a white nationalist desire. Presuming you aren’t a nazi, you should consider why you are aligned on this.
There are so many options we could try before concluding that Israel shouldn’t exist. Jumping straight to the most extreme option is just displaying ignorance, or that you have ulterior motives.
I never said they should go anywhere. Israel not existing simply means Israel, the Jewish state, not existing, not its people being driven off.
Something like that never should’ve existed in the first place. Jewish “right” of return is half the reason we got the current mess. There’s no reason Jews should have a country that’ll take them unconditionally for the same reason it’d be ridiculous to suggest the same thing if Roma people decided to build a state in India.
And no, I’m not a Nazi. I’m not sure when white supremacists coopted the idea that Israel shouldn’t exist given they tend to be supportive of Israel, but anyway it’s first and foremost an Arab and Palestinian idea.
Let’s think about this for a second. If one democratic state was created, and a government elected, given population differences alone and presumed voting along established political (ie religious) lines, you’d end up with a Jewish/Israeli government rather than a Muslim/Arab government.
Two independent, internationally recognised, and supported, nations is the only viable option.
Over a very long time powersharing may be an option, but that’s not now, or any time soon.
You’d end up with a government with both groups. It’d be possible to, for example, have a large Arab party in a coalition government with a left-wing Jewish coalition. And also someone like Netanyahu would’ve never won; because Palestinians would all rally around someone else.
This is especially true in a parliamentary government like Israel; the Knesset would look much different if the Palestinian population suddenly tripled.
There is no way that coalition would work together. I mean just look at the absolute mess the Israeli government coalition currently is.
It’s a complete pipedream, we can’t just wish the situation is different.