• @Moxible@monyet.cc
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      Simply not true, in 2018 iirc there were about 1500 Palestinian deaths and 0 israeli deaths. Israelis are not the victims. They constantly bully Palestinians out of their homes under military protection. Currently the civilians of gaza are under siege and even if they wanted to leave they cannot, they have nowhere to go.

      • تحريرها كلها ممكنOP
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        8 months ago

        True. Hamas also offered to release the prisoners in exchange for all Palestinian prisoners in Israeli prisons. Israel continues to refuse the swap and as a result some have died in the bombings.

        • @SapphironZA
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          I think the Israeli government has decided that the prisoners are of no value to them. It disempowers Hamas, so they will be less likely to take prisoners in the future.

          The Israeli government will only accept two outcomes at the moment. Destruction of all organized Hamas resistance or unconditional surrender of the hostages. Hama will not do the latter, so they are doomed to suffer the former.

    • تحريرها كلها ممكنOP
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      You are lying but I will limit myself to addressing your final lie which you base your other lies on. After all it is Israel and not Hamas that bombed the Church in Gaza.

      From Hamas Charter:

      16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.

      17. Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine.

      Source: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/hamas-2017-document-of-general-principles-and-policies

      • @SapphironZA
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        I tend to form my opinions by the words and actions of the organization.

        Do not misunderstand my criticism of Hamas, as professing the innocence of the Israeli government. Their actions are reckless and results in large numbers of unnecessary deaths. They are likely pressed for time as the international sentiment turns against those who support them.

        But you cannot grade them on the same level. The one is a semi democratic authoritarian regime that oppresses those sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, so they can continue to exploit the Palestinians for economic gain of the elite.

        The other is an authoritarian regime who killed and expelled it’s political opponents when they became unpopular and are living comfortably in Qatar on billions in western aid money they stole from the Palistinians. Meanwhile the ranks of Hamas is filled with religious extremists that believe killing innocents will get them into a fictional heaven.

        The first group you can negotiate with, the second group you have no option but to kill them, before they kill you.

        You also cannot limit this conflict to just the immediate region, the role of Iran, Qatar, the USA and the Saudi’s can not be ignored. They are using this region either as a proxy war, or to funnel aid and arms money for their own corrupt gain.

        The situation sucks for the Palistinians. The west barely cares for them, and the middle east even less.