• @nicetomeetyouIMVEGAN
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    21 year ago

    Germany’s strongest man has been vegan for years, and holds multiple world records. I have very little patience for stupid misinformation. It just makes your comment worthless.

    • R0cket_M00se
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      21 year ago

      You’re sure that it has nothing to do with the fact that he’s a professional bodybuilder/strongman and makes so much money from competitions that he can afford to spend all day eating food and working out? Which I directly accounted for?

      • @nicetomeetyouIMVEGAN
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        Literally out of every dietary research into the impact on health, the vegan diet comes out on top. Like, the amount of misinformation you have to swallow and uncritically accept to come to the conclusion you’re drawing means that any conversation with you is pointless. There are close to a hundred million vegans on the planet. We know things. They have been researched. Science. Try it sometimes.

        Edit, yeah you can downvote it. But

        https://www.fao.org/3/y2809e/y2809e00.pdf

        "Households should select predominantly plant-based diets rich in a variety of vegetables and fruits, pulses or legumes, and minimally processed starchy staple foods. The evidence that such diets will prevent or delay a significant proportion of non-communicable chronic diseases is consistent.”

        https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/the-vegan-diet/

        "With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs.”

        https://www.nutrition.org.uk/putting-it-into-practice/plant-based-diets/healthy-eating-for-vegetarians-and-vegans/

        " A well-planned vegetarian or vegan diet can provide the nutrients we need […] vegetarian dietary patterns may have a health benefit when compared to more traditional dietary patterns. Vegetarian or more plant-based diets are typically higher in fruit and vegetables, whole grains and dietary fibre while being lower in saturated fat, sweets and non-water beverages (such as sugar-sweetened beverages and alcohol).”

        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/

        "It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes […] Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions, including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control. These factors contribute to reduction of chronic disease.”

        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19562864/

        “It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases […] The results of an evidence-based review showed that a vegetarian diet is associated with a lower risk of death from ischemic heart disease. Vegetarians also appear to have lower low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure, and lower rates of hypertension and type 2 diabetes than nonvegetarians. Furthermore, vegetarians tend to have a lower body mass index and lower overall cancer rates.”

        https://www.unlockfood.ca/en/Articles/Vegetarian-and-Vegan-Diets/What-You-Need-to-Know-About-Following-a-Vegan-Eati.aspx

        "Anyone can follow a vegan diet – from children to teens to older adults. It’s even healthy for pregnant or nursing mothers. A well-planned vegan diet is high in fibre, vitamins and antioxidants. Plus, it’s low in saturated fat and cholesterol. This healthy combination helps protect against chronic diseases.

        Vegans have lower rates of heart disease, diabetes and certain types of cancer than non-vegans. Vegans also have lower blood pressure levels than both meat-eaters and vegetarians and are less likely to be overweight.”

        Get informed and stop the bullshit.

        • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          11 year ago

          https://www.fao.org/3/y2809e/y2809e00.pdf

          The rapidly growing weaning infant has no iron stores and has to rely on dietary iron. It is possible to meet these high requirements if the diet has a consistently high content of meat and foods rich in ascorbic acid. In most developed countries today, infant cereal products are the staple foods for that period of life. Commercial products are regularly fortified with iron and ascorbic acid, and they are usually given together with fruit juices and solid foods containing meat, fish, and vegetables

        • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          11 year ago

          " A well-planned vegetarian or vegan diet can provide the nutrients we need […] vegetarian dietary patterns may have a health benefit when compared to more traditional dietary patterns. Vegetarian or more plant-based diets are typically higher in fruit and vegetables, whole grains and dietary fibre while being lower in saturated fat, sweets and non-water beverages (such as sugar-sweetened beverages and alcohol).”

          what did you cut out with the “[…]”?

          among other things, a link to a page with 2500 words on it explaining how difficult it is to get all the nutrients you need during pregnancy.

        • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          11 year ago

          https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/the-vegan-diet/

          "With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs.”

          i can’t believe you clipped the VERY NEXT SENTENCE from this:

          If you do not plan your diet properly, you could miss out on essential nutrients, such as calcium, iron, vitamin B12, iodine and selenium.

        • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          11 year ago

          this is incredibly dishonest: the ada is now the AND, and that is no longer their position.

          Get informed and stop the bullshit.

          • @nicetomeetyouIMVEGAN
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            Wow big letters. This was the position of the AND in 2016:

            It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.

            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/

            The ADA had the same position in 2009:

            It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes. A vegetarian diet is defined as one that does not include meat (including fowl) or seafood, or products containing those foods

            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19562864/

            There is nobody being dishonest here except you. No matter big your letters are. I provided sources you could have just looked at them, or do some minimal googling. But you people couldn’t care less about facts, I know. If only you could turns all those feefees into some empathy for animals.

              • @nicetomeetyouIMVEGAN
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                11 year ago

                Absolutely absurd to think that the positions on vegan diets have shifted to the point where you can come close to considering this ‘misrepresentation’. That is so extremely dishonest, what an open afront to science.

                Let’s take a very recent study to hammer this home. A blood work comparison between diets. Done in Germany, among 120 or so people, so it’s a small one… But just extremely recent, and interesting since it took in a few variables that are normally skipped… But not important for you, since you probably don’t understand any of it anyway… All the dietary organisations stance on vegan diets were based on much much larger studies with ten of thousands of participants.

                https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10586079/pdf/IANN_55_2269969.pdf

                Conclusion This study revealed that even amongst homogeneously healthy, highly educated and physically active young Germans, omnivore, lacto-ovo-vegetarian and vegan diets result in measurable differences in dietary intakes and laboratory biomarkers of health. Plant-based diets, in particular the vegan diet, exhibited more favorable patterns of lipid metabolism and glycemic control. Our univariate and multivariate analyses showed that the risk of vitamin B12 deficiency is a major vulnerability in plant-based diets; however, this could be overcome with the use of oral over-the-counter supplements. The detailed examination of supplement use and blood biomarkers provided a first estimation that 250µg/d oral vitamin B12 taken over the course of 2years, supports adequate vitamin B12 status in healthy individuals adhering to plant-based diets. The significant lower use of vitamin B12 supplements in lacto-ovo-vegetarians suggests an excessive reliance on dairy and eggs as source of this micronutrient.

                Exactly echoing the stance on (not just ADA AND) from dietary organisations that a well planned vegan diet is healthy and even has health benefits.

                So you’re completely and utterly out of touch with the reality, and have a completely distorted idea on how these organisations come to their conclusions or how any of this works really.

                • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  11 year ago

                  by quoting the same organization with two different names as though they are two different organizations, and using quotes that imply this is their current position even when it is not, you are misleading people. that’s dishonest.

                  • @nicetomeetyouIMVEGAN
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                    It’s only an example out of a long list of examples. It would only be dishonest if they, or other dietary organisations, reached conclusions that don’t support what I’m saying. But that isn’t true. It’s just an example of what has been the consensus among dietary professionals for decades.

                    The only one being dishonest is you and you’re awfully quiet in providing examples or engaging with anything in any substantially relevant manner. Which is typical for fucking idiots like yourself.

        • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          11 year ago

          "Anyone can follow a vegan diet – from children to teens to older adults. It’s even healthy for pregnant or nursing mothers. A well-planned vegan diet is high in fibre, vitamins and antioxidants. Plus, it’s low in saturated fat and cholesterol. This healthy combination helps protect against chronic diseases.

          while it’s true that page says exactly what you quoted, it also says

          Speak to your doctor, healthcare provider or dietitian about a vegan eating plan

          which is pretty critical, considering basically every source you linked spends most of the time explaining the common nutrient deficiencies found in vegans and ways to mitigate them.