The 20% of Israel’s population who are Arab/Palestinians and are not belligerent seem to be faring better. Plenty of governments cooperate with Israel with very good results. So, what’s different about these?
Ultimately Palestine’s position has mostly to do with declaring war on Israel multiple times and losing, then remaining belligerent and engaging in guerilla attacks against them for the next half-century.
Are you talking about 1948, when the Nakba was happening and expelling people from their homeland? Or 1967 when Israel did a “pre-emptive” strike to start the six day war and get a land grab?
This a shouting man yelling obscenities at those who disagree. I understand the anger and wanting to push back, but attacking a foe one cannot defeat is a recipe for further loss.
Are you talking about 1948, when the Nakba was happening and expelling people from their homeland? Or 1967 when Israel did a “pre-emptive” strike to start the six day war and get a land grab?
Both are good examples of defeats.
Man, why does this map keep shrinking? Must be a coincidence. Those darn Arabs did some violence and whoopsie we accidently took more land! Man that’s crazy it always seems to work out like that.
It’s almost like there’s realpolitik consequences for refusing to pacify one’s self and sign a peace treaty after losing wars. Crazy. I expect this trend will continue as long as their belligerence does.
To be fair, you don’t know they can’t defeat them. Vietnam won against the United States. This kind of fascist state can’t last by definition. I only hope it implodes sooner rather than later.
Glad you’ve been on the side of defending apartheid and genocide. Cool chat.
To be fair, you don’t know they can’t defeat them. Vietnam won against the United States. This kind of fascist state can’t last by definition. I only hope it implodes sooner rather than later.
True, but at this point I find it very unlikely. The US wasn’t fighting for its right to exist in Vietnam, there is nowhere for Israelis to withdraw to. This conflict is existential to them.
Glad you’ve been on the side of defending apartheid and genocide. Cool chat.
Genocide: if you mean genocide, as in driving people from their lands, Palestinian-aligned forces practiced that as well in this conflict–when their side annexed Jordan and Jerusalem. By this definition you would be defending those who are genocidal as well.
If you mean genocide as in eradicating an ethnic or religious group, that’s more Hamas’ thing, as I have illustrated above.
Apartheid: you’re ignoring all the Arab-Israeli citizens, who are not kept legally separated and have the same rights as every other citizen there. Their existence makes your accusation of apartheid not make sense. This is clearly about safety and not racial discrimination on the Israeli side.
You’re going to go against Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, B’Tselem, Nelson fucking Mandela, among plenty of others, saying it’s an Apartheid? Come on, dude.
Easy, the material conditions, here’s a short that highlights Gaza specifically, and not being under occupation. They have food, water, medical care, aren’t under a permit regime, and aren’t under threat of having their homes violently stolen.
Are you talking about 1948, when the Nakba was happening and expelling people from their homeland? Or 1967 when Israel did a “pre-emptive” strike to start the six day war and get a land grab?
Man, why does this map keep shrinking? Must be a coincidence. Those darn Arabs did some violence and whoopsie we accidently took more land! Man that’s crazy it always seems to work out like that. https://www.palestineportal.org/learn-teach/israelpalestine-the-basics/maps/maps-loss-of-land/
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
material conditions, here’s a short that highlights Gaza specifically
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
This a shouting man yelling obscenities at those who disagree. I understand the anger and wanting to push back, but attacking a foe one cannot defeat is a recipe for further loss.
Both are good examples of defeats.
It’s almost like there’s realpolitik consequences for refusing to pacify one’s self and sign a peace treaty after losing wars. Crazy. I expect this trend will continue as long as their belligerence does.
To be fair, you don’t know they can’t defeat them. Vietnam won against the United States. This kind of fascist state can’t last by definition. I only hope it implodes sooner rather than later.
Glad you’ve been on the side of defending apartheid and genocide. Cool chat.
True, but at this point I find it very unlikely. The US wasn’t fighting for its right to exist in Vietnam, there is nowhere for Israelis to withdraw to. This conflict is existential to them.
Genocide: if you mean genocide, as in driving people from their lands, Palestinian-aligned forces practiced that as well in this conflict–when their side annexed Jordan and Jerusalem. By this definition you would be defending those who are genocidal as well.
If you mean genocide as in eradicating an ethnic or religious group, that’s more Hamas’ thing, as I have illustrated above.
Apartheid: you’re ignoring all the Arab-Israeli citizens, who are not kept legally separated and have the same rights as every other citizen there. Their existence makes your accusation of apartheid not make sense. This is clearly about safety and not racial discrimination on the Israeli side.
Cool chat.
Alright I was going to disengage but holy shit.
You’re going to go against Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, B’Tselem, Nelson fucking Mandela, among plenty of others, saying it’s an Apartheid? Come on, dude.