For future reference, ‘retard’ is not kosher anymore. I grew up in the era when we were all using it too, so I get the habit, but please avoid the term in this community in the future.
Because I guarantee you that’ll be a slur in five years. No one wants to be “dumber than most everyone else” but those people exist. And if you’re “mentally retarded,” that’s probably “you.”
Thanks for the comment, though. I can block this community before I’m banned!
Because I guarantee you that’ll be a slur in five years.
‘Retard’ has had a rather unique journey as a clinical term through periods of great prejudice against the mentally disabled, before ending up as an insult, and once an insult, was widely used against the genuinely mentally disabled as a means of demeaning them, giving it a particularly bad history.
People seem to have a habit of taking whatever term is used for individuals with mental disabilities and using them to hyperbolize their criticism of someone’s decisions/behavior. This is insulting to the dignity of members of society so society begins to look at the term unfavorably and uses a new term to describe it’s mentally challenged members. Then the cycle repeats itself.
Yes, if you were rated below a certain iq, you were classified as a moron or an imbecile, both medical terms of the time which became derogatory words. It does not really make a difference if you use moron, imbecile, retard or psycho. You insult somebody by implying some kind of disability, which is now widely regarded as offensive. So i think it is really kind of funny when somebody gets chastised by doing the very same thing in the same post. Some self-reflection might be in order.
Well didn’t moron use to be a medical term too? So you’re doing the same thing here, hows moron different from retard?
Do I have to explain to you how language works? Terms develop connotations over time. Usage makes some into slurs. This isn’t complex. This is how every fucking slur comes about. Jesus H. Christ.
His point that whatever term retard is replaced with in the lexicon will simply go on the treadmill of slurs just like moron did.
Okay?
Like, I really don’t know what the two of you aim to prove here by repeatedly drawing attention to the fact that connotations of words change with time. Yes, both in the past and the future. This is my shocked face.
The use of ‘Retard’ and its acceptability has changed due to the dual connotations it acquired (those connotations being, specifically, a derogatory insult, and the assertion of actual medical mental disability). It’s no longer acceptable. That doesn’t mean that every word which clinicians used or which schoolyard bullies used is now the equivalent of calling someone a ‘retard’. ‘Retard’ has a very acute combination of connotations, which anyone who grew up around the term understands as different from terms like ‘fool’, ‘idiot’, or ‘moron’.
Like, fuck’s sake. How are you not grasping this?
You are literally participating in the problem you tried to call out.
… the problem of… not using a term widely agreed upon to be offensive in the modern day?
I’ve never agreed with the “euphemism treadmill” idea. All language is constantly evolving all the time. It’s not difficult to keep up with society’s changing expectations. We’ve come to a point where enough time has passed where moron has largely become disentangled from its former baggage.
I agree that ‘retard’ crossed the line when it started being used as an insult against legitimately disabled people
I remember using it here and there when I was younger, with no malice behind the words. I stopped using it after I learned that it had started to be used in a derogatory sense (or maybe there never was a time when it wasn’t)
Thing is, the term ‘retardation’ just means to be slowing down, in a literal sense. In medicine, the term used is ‘mental retardation’ when somebody’s mental thought process is reducing, which is what people think they’re saying when they just say ‘retarded’
I would even go so far as to say, if you allow one use of the word, that these people who paraphrase medical terms in derogatory ways are ‘retarded’
If you’re going to be offensive, at least be creative. When you use these words, among some other like the n word, you’re just telling me you’re an asshole with zero mental aptitude
For example, I think the original commenter has the thought capacity of a chicken
For future reference, ‘retard’ is not kosher anymore. I grew up in the era when we were all using it too, so I get the habit, but please avoid the term in this community in the future.
You don’t call retarded people retarded. You call your friends retarded, when they are acting retarded.
What word should I use?
Because I guarantee you that’ll be a slur in five years. No one wants to be “dumber than most everyone else” but those people exist. And if you’re “mentally retarded,” that’s probably “you.”
Thanks for the comment, though. I can block this community before I’m banned!
He sure showed us.
‘Retard’ has had a rather unique journey as a clinical term through periods of great prejudice against the mentally disabled, before ending up as an insult, and once an insult, was widely used against the genuinely mentally disabled as a means of demeaning them, giving it a particularly bad history.
Don’t be a fucking moron.
Well didn’t moron use to be a medical term too? So you’re doing the same thing here, hows moron different from retard?
Same with idiot.
People seem to have a habit of taking whatever term is used for individuals with mental disabilities and using them to hyperbolize their criticism of someone’s decisions/behavior. This is insulting to the dignity of members of society so society begins to look at the term unfavorably and uses a new term to describe it’s mentally challenged members. Then the cycle repeats itself.
Was it used to demean people to the same extent?
Yes, if you were rated below a certain iq, you were classified as a moron or an imbecile, both medical terms of the time which became derogatory words. It does not really make a difference if you use moron, imbecile, retard or psycho. You insult somebody by implying some kind of disability, which is now widely regarded as offensive. So i think it is really kind of funny when somebody gets chastised by doing the very same thing in the same post. Some self-reflection might be in order.
Yes
Do I have to explain to you how language works? Terms develop connotations over time. Usage makes some into slurs. This isn’t complex. This is how every fucking slur comes about. Jesus H. Christ.
Exactly, and how is moron not a slur?
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Wow. What an amazing point he has, that… [checks notes] connotations change with time?
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Okay?
Like, I really don’t know what the two of you aim to prove here by repeatedly drawing attention to the fact that connotations of words change with time. Yes, both in the past and the future. This is my shocked face.
The use of ‘Retard’ and its acceptability has changed due to the dual connotations it acquired (those connotations being, specifically, a derogatory insult, and the assertion of actual medical mental disability). It’s no longer acceptable. That doesn’t mean that every word which clinicians used or which schoolyard bullies used is now the equivalent of calling someone a ‘retard’. ‘Retard’ has a very acute combination of connotations, which anyone who grew up around the term understands as different from terms like ‘fool’, ‘idiot’, or ‘moron’.
Like, fuck’s sake. How are you not grasping this?
… the problem of… not using a term widely agreed upon to be offensive in the modern day?
It’s FAR from unique.
Idiot, Imbecile, and (especially ironically) Moron all ran the same path.
The euphemism treadmill is neverending.
I’ve never agreed with the “euphemism treadmill” idea. All language is constantly evolving all the time. It’s not difficult to keep up with society’s changing expectations. We’ve come to a point where enough time has passed where moron has largely become disentangled from its former baggage.
I agree that ‘retard’ crossed the line when it started being used as an insult against legitimately disabled people
I remember using it here and there when I was younger, with no malice behind the words. I stopped using it after I learned that it had started to be used in a derogatory sense (or maybe there never was a time when it wasn’t)
Thing is, the term ‘retardation’ just means to be slowing down, in a literal sense. In medicine, the term used is ‘mental retardation’ when somebody’s mental thought process is reducing, which is what people think they’re saying when they just say ‘retarded’
I would even go so far as to say, if you allow one use of the word, that these people who paraphrase medical terms in derogatory ways are ‘retarded’
If you’re going to be offensive, at least be creative. When you use these words, among some other like the n word, you’re just telling me you’re an asshole with zero mental aptitude
For example, I think the original commenter has the thought capacity of a chicken