• @null@slrpnk.net
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    I cringe every time I see this come up.

    Because it isn’t what you actually mean, and the horrible logic of it makes it easy for the Lemmy Lefties to dunk on.

    Of course a 3rd party vote isn’t a vote for Trump any more than it is a vote for Kamala.

    What it actually is is a discarded opportunity to vote against Trump. Which is also dispicable, but actually accurate.

    Everyone knows that’s what you mean by this, but the Lemmy Lefties will play dumb and latch onto that logical fallacy every time.

    • @Dagwood222@lemm.ee
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      They loved Bernie and praised him to the skies.

      Then he endorsed Biden and Harris.

      Now he’s a ‘sheepdog’ that rounds up people to be slaughtered.

    • @Ultraviolet@lemmy.world
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      It’s the trolley problem again. This time, you have 3 tracks and 2 switches. The trolley is headed towards 5 people, one switch sends it to 1 person, and the other switch would send it to 0 people, but it’s broken. Voting third party is pulling the broken switch, knowing the 5 people will die but you’ve shifted the responsibility from yourself to whoever was supposed to fix the switch.

      • @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
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        I like your analogy. Let me expand.

        This same situation happens every day. For years now, 1 person has died every day. Nobody pulls the broken lever, but if people started pulling it, it would start working. For the first couple days or weeks, 5 people would die each time, but eventually we would be able to get the train on a safe track.

        • @just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          The whole post is an example of a propaganda technique where you keep repeating one thing over and over until it becomes a default thing where people don’t even question the logic.

          The ones capable of refuting it feel tired because of the sheer number of posts while the vulnerable ones get affected.

          Today both sides “feel” that the use of this propaganda is fair game cuz the other side is already doing it.

      • @BallsandBayonets
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        I really like your take on this. So how is the switch going to get fixed, when the only time anyone pays attention to the fact that it’s broken, is when lives are on the line?

      • @Cleggory@lemmy.world
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        Why do neoliberals bring up the trolley problem as if it is some settled debate among scholars that there is one clear possible answer?

        • @Ultraviolet@lemmy.world
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          2111 hours ago

          I’m not a neoliberal, I’m a socialist. I’m just not an idiot who will give a fascist free rein just because his opponent has the same shitty foreign policy as every politician in the whole fucking country has. There is a difference between the status-quo level of bad and catastrophic.

          • @Cleggory@lemmy.world
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            Harris supporters on Lemmy have called for me to be put in a concentration camp.

            Your fears of fascism are ignorant of the capacity that Democrats exhibit.

            • @ameancow@lemmy.world
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              Harris supporters on Lemmy have called for me to be put in a concentration camp.

              Yah, I’ll take “Things that didn’t happen” for a thousand, Alex. Let me guess, they did the “you’re going to be the most _____ person in the camps” joke and you took offense to the harsh, practical truth of it, so rather than reconsider whatever performative BS you were trying to use to justify voting against a clear and present danger, you decided to do exactly what the right does, and spin natural consequences and hurt feelings to make yourself a victim.

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                Some of you idiots yesterday told me: “Imagine I’m tying you to a chair, and gives you a choice between ripping one or both of your eyes. Wouldn’t you prefer to keep one eye?”.

                But of course the mod have too much political censorship to do to care about actual disturbing content.

        • @luciferofastora@lemmy.zip
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          Sometimes, I wonder if a Trump victory would be the only way to getthe various leftist factions to stop arguing and stand together, side by side, united in the fact that fascists don’t care what flavour of ideological opposition they’re executing.

          Who gives a shit about whether the Trolley Problem is settled - it’s about your answer: Which option do you endorse?

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            As a center-leftist supporting third party candidates (Go Claudia de la Cruz!), no a Trump victory won’t unite the left, because a Trump victory won’t make me like the Democrats more than I do now. If the Democrats want my vote, they will have to start appealing to me as a voter (stop supporting Israels war, reduce military spending, etc)- but the Democrats don’t have these policies and a Trump victory won’t change that.

            Tl;dr a Trump victory changes nothing for my stance as a third party supporter

                • @luciferofastora@lemmy.zip
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                  Look, my point is that he’ll probably be even worse this time around if he gets the chance. I’m painting a (hopefully exaggerated) image in an attempt to convince people that the left should unite on the big issues and push for a point where actually progressive parties are more than a spoiler in a fucked up system.

              • @WrenFeathers@lemmy.worldM
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                Yeah. But the writing on the wall was legible enough then to know what we were in for. It’s now in bright flashing neon, and they still won’t budge.

                • @luciferofastora@lemmy.zip
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                  I think my point was made poorly: I don’t think they’ll work together. He has gone fully mask off now, I worry he might pull a Reichstagsbrand 2 and start eliminating his opponents. And no matter how fractured we may be, no matter how we see our differences, at the end of they day we’re all leftists and to him, that’ll be enough to lump us all together as enemies.

                  I worry that the only way the leftists will unite is by being thrown into the same mass graves.

                  • @yankturdscum
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                    Last time he was elected the liberals had very pretty vagina masks and a lot of peaceful demonstrations lmao

                    Meanwhile, actual radicals burned a precinct.

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          The trolley problem isn’t “settled debate” for the same reasons that Kamala vs Trump isn’t “settled debate”.

          The point of the trolley problem and why it’s analogous is that it’s coming up fast and you must choose to either pull that lever or not. Whichever choice you make, that’s the moral character you’ve chosen to exhibit.

    • @Jamil@lemm.ee
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      The Dems are running on Trump’s 2020 platform. Build the wall. Lock up immigrants. Both parties are far-right shitholes, and it’s time people started realizing that.

      The Dems in 2028 will be calling for mass deportations.

      • @null@slrpnk.net
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        ^ This right here. Exactly my point. They are going to keep telling you Kamala and Trump are the same so you spoil your chance to prevent Trump from taking office again.

        They are not subtle, and they do not care about the fallout of a Trump reelection. They are privileged enough that it won’t affect them or their loved ones. It’s despicable.

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        28 hours ago

        This went so far past just being wrong that it might just end up creating an entirely new paradigm of stupidity.