• @Cleggory@lemmy.world
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    Why do neoliberals bring up the trolley problem as if it is some settled debate among scholars that there is one clear possible answer?

    • @Ultraviolet@lemmy.world
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      2111 hours ago

      I’m not a neoliberal, I’m a socialist. I’m just not an idiot who will give a fascist free rein just because his opponent has the same shitty foreign policy as every politician in the whole fucking country has. There is a difference between the status-quo level of bad and catastrophic.

      • @Cleggory@lemmy.world
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        Harris supporters on Lemmy have called for me to be put in a concentration camp.

        Your fears of fascism are ignorant of the capacity that Democrats exhibit.

        • @ameancow@lemmy.world
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          149 hours ago

          Harris supporters on Lemmy have called for me to be put in a concentration camp.

          Yah, I’ll take “Things that didn’t happen” for a thousand, Alex. Let me guess, they did the “you’re going to be the most _____ person in the camps” joke and you took offense to the harsh, practical truth of it, so rather than reconsider whatever performative BS you were trying to use to justify voting against a clear and present danger, you decided to do exactly what the right does, and spin natural consequences and hurt feelings to make yourself a victim.

          • @manchest3
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            Some of you idiots yesterday told me: “Imagine I’m tying you to a chair, and gives you a choice between ripping one or both of your eyes. Wouldn’t you prefer to keep one eye?”.

            But of course the mod have too much political censorship to do to care about actual disturbing content.

    • @luciferofastora@lemmy.zip
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      38 hours ago

      Sometimes, I wonder if a Trump victory would be the only way to getthe various leftist factions to stop arguing and stand together, side by side, united in the fact that fascists don’t care what flavour of ideological opposition they’re executing.

      Who gives a shit about whether the Trolley Problem is settled - it’s about your answer: Which option do you endorse?

      • @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
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        As a center-leftist supporting third party candidates (Go Claudia de la Cruz!), no a Trump victory won’t unite the left, because a Trump victory won’t make me like the Democrats more than I do now. If the Democrats want my vote, they will have to start appealing to me as a voter (stop supporting Israels war, reduce military spending, etc)- but the Democrats don’t have these policies and a Trump victory won’t change that.

        Tl;dr a Trump victory changes nothing for my stance as a third party supporter

        • @yankturdscum
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          The liberals bought very pretty vag-themed hat. Leftists burned a precinct.

          At least I know who I would trust to actuall fight against fascism.

          • @bravelibrol
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            Brave liberals fighting fascism:

        • @luciferofastora@lemmy.zip
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          I didn’t mean “unite” in the sense of “we’ll work together” so much as “if he manages to pull off his idol’s stunt and execute his opponents, we’ll all die together”

            • @luciferofastora@lemmy.zip
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              Look, my point is that he’ll probably be even worse this time around if he gets the chance. I’m painting a (hopefully exaggerated) image in an attempt to convince people that the left should unite on the big issues and push for a point where actually progressive parties are more than a spoiler in a fucked up system.

          • @WrenFeathers@lemmy.worldM
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            Yeah. But the writing on the wall was legible enough then to know what we were in for. It’s now in bright flashing neon, and they still won’t budge.

            • @luciferofastora@lemmy.zip
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              I think my point was made poorly: I don’t think they’ll work together. He has gone fully mask off now, I worry he might pull a Reichstagsbrand 2 and start eliminating his opponents. And no matter how fractured we may be, no matter how we see our differences, at the end of they day we’re all leftists and to him, that’ll be enough to lump us all together as enemies.

              I worry that the only way the leftists will unite is by being thrown into the same mass graves.

              • @yankturdscum
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                Last time he was elected the liberals had very pretty vagina masks and a lot of peaceful demonstrations lmao

                Meanwhile, actual radicals burned a precinct.

    • @null@slrpnk.net
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      The trolley problem isn’t “settled debate” for the same reasons that Kamala vs Trump isn’t “settled debate”.

      The point of the trolley problem and why it’s analogous is that it’s coming up fast and you must choose to either pull that lever or not. Whichever choice you make, that’s the moral character you’ve chosen to exhibit.