Diplomats walk out on Israeli prime minister’s speech at UN to protest against devastating war on Gaza and latest attacks on Lebanon
Diplomats walk out on Israeli prime minister’s speech at UN to protest against devastating war on Gaza and latest attacks on Lebanon
He is such a fucking scumbag. Fuck him and fuck the rest of Israel.
Fuck the USA, and every country too chicken shit to oppose a criminally corrupt sociopath committing war crimes to delay his own imminent corruption trial and imprisonment.
Fuck the USA government, you mean. I only live here, and all I get to do is choose between the lesser of two evils every 4 years. What a nightmare.
If you think you only get a choice once every four years, that’s part of the problem. There’s elections every single year, many of which you have more choice and more power over.
Maybe if people showed up to vote more than once every four years we’d actually see some effective change.
The US election system is set up for the rich and powerful to stay in charge. It’s ridiculous that there’s effectively only two parties, and it’s ridiculous that a single person, the president, holds so much power. No accountability. Their system needs an entire overhaul, IMO:
Compulsory voting Ease of access for voting Preferential voting Lower bar for running, meaning every citizen has the opportunity to run
The president sure gets the credit for a lot of things (the president signed this into law, the president enacted this policy) but in reality Congress makes most of that a reality.
There is also accountability… but only if the congress acts on it. Which is where that whole “vote more than once every four years” thing comes in. Congress has power… we just have not elected people who use that power responsibly.
We’ve also managed to wedge ourselves into a situation where Congress can’t handle anything controversial. The closest we came in recent years was the (relatively timid) ACA, and that barely passed after an unpopular war and the 2008 economic crash.
so then go and push/vote for voting reform, federally and more importantly at a state level, shit like IRV is very much within reach.
I always hear people bitching about the “no choice” of voting, but they never seem to be around during the primaries, when they could make a difference.
or voting for all lol.
Some people just like sitting around and bitching about things all day.
Elections that can affect things on a national level are still only once every two years. I vote in every election but going off on people who vote for but doing it often enough is just stupid.
Yes, but those state and local elections have an effect both on how your state and local area does… as well as how those national elections are held. They are far more important than you give them credit for.
Don’t downplay them just because they don’t get national coverage, especially when they’re going to have significantly more impact on your daily life.
Well yeah, obviously. If you blamed the entire population for its governments actions then every human alive is guilty.
Fuck the US government, and everyone who supports their crimes.
We are, though, if we’re not actively doing our best to stop all this. We’re all at least necessary accomplices.
All candidates steer clear away from condemning Israel because they know they’ll lose votes if they do. Sounds like this one is on the people.
You’re a necessary accomplice. Organise. Burn shit up and build better things on top of the ashes.
wait ok, i’m confused why do we hate the US government? Is it because it’s doing global geopolitics shit? Like what’s the motive for caring about this, as opposed to like, stopping world hunger.
Like the motive for the latter is obvious, but i don’t really see the motive for the former. It just seems like yelling at a vast brick wall for no reason.
As an American I can assure you that there’s no shortage of reasons to hate our government. Don’t sweat it, just pile on all the reasons you want.
i mean yeah but like, what the fuck is the point? I hate a lot of things for stupid reasons, i feel like as far as the government goes, that’s something that i have a pretty direct involvement with that i can pretty directly influence change with. What’s the point being mad about it when i could be doing something about it instead?
I had to check to see if I was about to reply to myself.
based. You and me my friend, we think alike, which is probably not great, but hey the law of RNG strikes again!
I can tell you why I’m mad.
Because I want these atrocities to stop. And you know what I’m not given? That option. Trump has been a scourge to Palestinians and the Middle East as a whole, but Kamala Harris is spewing the same violent, bullshit rhetoric as the very man who was walked out on, that this thread is about.
Where is my option to vote for the end of this suffering?
And that’s just the topic of today. I could go on and on about how the the constitution allows for slavery as we speak, and it’s the reason we have so many prisoners per capita. Or how Hitler idolized America for its genocide of the native Americans and chattel slavery. Or how women were only allowed to have bank accounts in the last 50 years. Or the many, many governments we have overthrown or couped, only to install disgusting violent monsters who commit atrocity after atrocity. Or how we created ISIS and Al Quada. I could go on forever.
There are plenty of reasons to hate the US Government.
ok so, is this because atrocities are bad? Are we concerned because this is an ongoing atrocity? If we’re talking about atrocity we can talk about human history, nearly every corner of human history has numerous atrocities throughout it. So it’s probably not that, and if it’s the fact that it’s ongoing, then what about other problems like lack of education access, lack of access to clean drinkable water, food security, security in general (there are a number of places like haiti under the control of military law under a gang/cartel right now) I mean there are hundreds of millions, possibly even a billion people that are undergoing what could easily be considered an atrocity.
Especially when we consider the current situation in Palestine, which is a long running military dispute with lots of history, the only scenario in which this is truly a terrible thing (to the degree that would be needed) is the position in which you consider colonization to be the ultimate evil, and that undoing it at all costs must be progressed towards. Which to me seems like a really reductionist take on moderns society, considering that basically every country ever has some level of colonization in it’s history somewhere.
I’m not trying to discount the palestine problem either, it literally has global attention, palestine could not be in a better situation right now aside from the fact that maybe israel could stop blowing them up. That’s LITERALLY the only problem here. Palestine is the GLOBAL target of humanitarian aid right now. It’s the global center of the geo political issues problem right now. They quite literally, could not be a better optics position right now, they couldn’t have any more support, and they couldn’t possibly be more equipped to deal with this, like i said, unless maybe israel stopped bombing them, that would be the only thing that could get better right now.
It can go even farther even if we consider the warcrimes that are almost certainly being committed right now, as well as things like the settlements, There are tons of bad things happening, but i just can’t help but feel like this is a major misdirection of attention on problems.
but i’ve waffled enough here.
there is none, because this is literally issues voting, and if you’re issues voting you’re going to be shit out of luck everytime, unless literal fascists get in power because they thrive on issues voting, but even then they may or may not agree with you, and if they don’t may god save your soul in that situation.
There is no political party for “stopping the conflict in palestine” because that party would be disbanded immediately after going into power because their entire singular goal would’ve been completed. Either that or they’re going to fumble constantly through the government trying to fix that one problem, only to not manage that, and then lose power because they did literally nothing.
This just isn’t how politics works, you never get a perfect solution to your issue, and if you are issues voting, well then i hope it works out well for you, it won’t but i sincerely hope it does.
like i don’t know what to tell you here, i have a lot of problems, but my biggest problem is probably the general societal actions towards certain modes of behaviors, but i’m not going to vote specifically to absolve that one issue, in fact i’m not going to vote at all over that, because that’s not even politically relevant since this isn’t a great example. Politically my biggest problem right now is probably trump and the right wing, but again, you don’t see me pushing for the “anti trump” party, i’m pushing for anti trump rhetoric, anti trump actions, and the general push towards securing our governmental institution from this problem happening again (hopefully)
this is true, and the constitution also says that slavery is legal. The 3/5ths compromise is literally ingrained in it as well, however it’s superseded by a more recent amendment, but to give credit to your state, slavery is technically allowed under the guise of imprisonment. I.E. force labor in prisons, although most of the time, i don’t think it’s actually forced? I’m not sure if it’s even forced at all, we just don’t pay them fuck all.
didn’t hitler also say that the jews “Created the big lie” and then proceeded to use the big lie in order to kill a bunch of jews? That guys opinion is not very citable. He’s also praised eugenicists as well so. Like being mentioned by hitler is pretty bad, but in our defense, we literally don’t do that anymore.
Isn’t this a pretty common thing among recent history? Also that’s not a factually true point of time, that happened in 1971 proper, which is more than fifty years ago. 53 to be exact. It’s been a wacky four years so you should probably update that one lol.
to my knowledge, in most cases it was only common for us to support the extremists groups, and then wait until they get into power, and then use them to do some bidding of our own, but i’m not well read on the comprehensive history of the US and it’s foreign military affairs so i don’t know much about that one either. I’m not sure anybody really knows anything about it either to be honest.
i don’t see anything about how we created Al-Qaeda, Again for ISIS, i’m not seeing anything stating how we literally created them, but i am seeing things about how we supported them.
sure, but there are also plenty of reasons to like it as well, for example you’re allowed to say this shit without getting shot in the head. That’s pretty cool, you’re allowed to protest about this stuff, you’re allowed to hate the US government, and evidently to some capacity, you’re allowed to do a fascist takeover, though i disagree with that one on fundamental principles since fascism is objectively bad.
Another pretty cool reason, is that we literally helped stop the nazis. i could go on forever frankly.
uhhhh where do you wanna start. I mean pick a year between 1776 and now. Pick a month, probably.
june of 1832, i wonder what kind of goofy shit happened that month.
Looking at the protests against him in Israel I think many if not most Israelis don’t want this campaign of violence. For many years I’ve felt sorry for all the civilians in that area, because they are trying to live their lives and extremist assholes on all sides keep killing them.
Settlers can go fuck themselves though.
Absolutely. They are extremist assholes.
The protests aren’t against his policy of genocide in Palestine.
They are against his government in general and started before his campaign of terror and I have seen no poll that would suggest sudden approval. So we can safely assume the protesters include that in their disapproval of him and his government of fascist cunts.
The protests happened after but they don’t seem to advocate a change in that campaign of terror, just different people carrying it out. The far right dominates Israeli politics and it’s all about which flavor of far right is preferred.
There were protests even before October, because a large portion of Israelis hates that government.
But, again, not for the treatment of Palestinians.
What is your point? That all Israelis fully support the wholesale slaughter the IDF is committing? It seems so weird and pointless to continue to argue about this.
I responded to someone claiming that there have been protests against this campaign of violence. It’s useful to know where everybody stands to know who would be willing to move toward peace.