No, see, if they get to shift the focus away from the patriarchy (or other systems of oppression they just happen to benefit from, be it Christian white supremacy, cis heteronormativity, abled supremacy), they don’t have to consider and possibly unlearn their own views and behaviours…
When someone insists on “no war but the class war” they often mean “no war impacts me other than the class war, so that’s the only war I’m interested in fighting”.
I’m sure that applies to a good chunk of the population, but I think there’s more to “no war but class war” than just dodging personal responsibility.
The owning class needs to convince people to vote against their best interests, and the primary tactic they use is to divide the working class.
“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”
Would winning the class war fix everything else? Hell nah - the rich aren’t just making these divisions up. But they are going to do their best to stoke the flames, because they need the distraction. We need to fight patriarchy no matter what. But the class war is making those fights harder.
All that said, trying to downplay legitimate concerns about oppressed populations by saying “no war but the class war” is very “all lives matter”.
Surely at least back when women couldn’t vote and were expected to always obey their father/husband, there was patriarchy. Also ultra rich vs the rest, but also patriarchy.
Yeah and I feel it was pushed by the ultra rich. The ultra rich were pretty much all men and controlled everything including the papers that most read back then. Ultra rich see any progress as an attack on their wealth
The Bible explicitly states that women are beneath and subservient to men. Christianity is the dominant religion (at least in America). Politicians face controversy when they aren’t openly Christian. They are guided by their Christian morals when making decisions that impact millions of people. Every single president in American history has been a man. Women couldn’t vote until recently, and more recently lost bodily autonomy. Each and every one of these realities produces male supremacy over women. Patriarchy is very real, and has been for centuries. To deny this is to demonstrate ignorance.
I live in the USA and that’s the perspective I can speak from. I can’t claim to know anything about Lithuania’s politics and culture, and I wouldn’t dare try. If I see someone say “in Canada…” it does make me pity them that they couldn’t consider any other country in the world with their insubstantial brains, so I do see where you’re coming from. Piss off.
If I see someone say “in Canada…” it does make me pity them that they couldn’t consider any other country in the world with their insubstantial brains
Your whole comment is based on your biased USA resident point of view.
You are the one here that apply USA logic to the whole world as you guys like to do.
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It is not anymore patriarchy but the ultra rich against the common people.
Well, both
Edit: Class disparity and patriarchy are not mutually exclusive. How is this a hot take?
No, see, if they get to shift the focus away from the patriarchy (or other systems of oppression they just happen to benefit from, be it Christian white supremacy, cis heteronormativity, abled supremacy), they don’t have to consider and possibly unlearn their own views and behaviours…
When someone insists on “no war but the class war” they often mean “no war impacts me other than the class war, so that’s the only war I’m interested in fighting”.
I’m sure that applies to a good chunk of the population, but I think there’s more to “no war but class war” than just dodging personal responsibility.
The owning class needs to convince people to vote against their best interests, and the primary tactic they use is to divide the working class.
Would winning the class war fix everything else? Hell nah - the rich aren’t just making these divisions up. But they are going to do their best to stoke the flames, because they need the distraction. We need to fight patriarchy no matter what. But the class war is making those fights harder.
All that said, trying to downplay legitimate concerns about oppressed populations by saying “no war but the class war” is very “all lives matter”.
Well said.
Well said
Always has been, it was just easier to disguise what they were feeding the masses when there was no internet
Surely at least back when women couldn’t vote and were expected to always obey their father/husband, there was patriarchy. Also ultra rich vs the rest, but also patriarchy.
Yeah and I feel it was pushed by the ultra rich. The ultra rich were pretty much all men and controlled everything including the papers that most read back then. Ultra rich see any progress as an attack on their wealth
It has been to different extents at different times.
Right now we are at a 70-year peak. In the US, anyway.
The Bible explicitly states that women are beneath and subservient to men. Christianity is the dominant religion (at least in America). Politicians face controversy when they aren’t openly Christian. They are guided by their Christian morals when making decisions that impact millions of people. Every single president in American history has been a man. Women couldn’t vote until recently, and more recently lost bodily autonomy. Each and every one of these realities produces male supremacy over women. Patriarchy is very real, and has been for centuries. To deny this is to demonstrate ignorance.
I am not from the USA and thinking that everyone talking english on internet is from the USA feels very ignorant to me.
I live in the USA and that’s the perspective I can speak from. I can’t claim to know anything about Lithuania’s politics and culture, and I wouldn’t dare try. If I see someone say “in Canada…” it does make me pity them that they couldn’t consider any other country in the world with their insubstantial brains, so I do see where you’re coming from. Piss off.
Your whole comment is based on your biased USA resident point of view.
You are the one here that apply USA logic to the whole world as you guys like to do.
The USA is the only country in the world with gender disparity.