• 48 Posts
  • 96 Comments
Joined 1 year ago
Cake day: December 18th, 2023
  • mughaloid@lemmygrad.mlOPtoGenZedong@lemmygrad.ml•"Hindu dharma" is apartheid and genocide of poor people.
    3·
    1 year ago

    I’ve heard that some Hindutva types get around this by denying the Aryan invasions ever happened. Yes , they propagate aryans originated from India lol. I also think its a gross misunderstanding that Aryans “invaded” like they quashed every people , it might be plausible but how can these different languages of North India survive the onslaught of Sanskrit if the onslaught was massive. I think aryans rituals and norms got mixed up with local cultures and by these fusions a new society emerged which is vedic . There is a lot of confusion in that regard because southern people think (like here in the chat) Brahmins and upper caste don’t belong to India or a certain region. This is largely abhorrent and shouldn’t be practiced . India is largely mixed because of being a melting pot of different groups and people , Greeks , Kushans , Huns , Afghans , Turks , Babur all came and brought their culture and ethos . Indo aryans people brought their Vedas and theology. If we discard everything regarding Vedas ,Upanishads and the great epics then what should remain of India ? (the great dance , Indian classical music comes from Sama Veda )
    Another thing yes , caste system existed from middle to late vedic age and it exists till now. The caste system is inbuilt into Hinduism because of ignorance and feudal mode of production in ancient society . Modern hindu groups are denying these allegations and its horrendous to justify it.

    1. Shiva is a complicated god , he is destroyer of maya (avidya) or ignorance . Shivaism predates vedic religion and Siva mythologies and ethos were put into hindu puranas in late 600 CE. Shiva is actually not death but a man who won over maya (illusion of reality ) and he forever remains into this “bliss” state . He is poor , lives with ghosts , snakes , drinks poison . It is just to convey simple ethos and “brahman” is not with worldly pleasures and work. Brahman is gender less , formless , casteless and infinite. In Hinduism anything can be personal god (isharva) (some restrictions are obviously there ) . Shiva followers see Shiva as the absolute brahman , he has neither shape or gender (that what it is written by Sankara , he was a shivaite ) .

    2. Moksha means liberation from cycle of birth and dying , here Sankara is saying there is some higher plain which goes beyond traditional concept of previous rituals and understanding .

  • mughaloid@lemmygrad.mlOPtoGenZedong@lemmygrad.ml•"Hindu dharma" is apartheid and genocide of poor people.
    1·
    1 year ago

    Southern Brahmins are not Southern people who were influenced by Sanskrit. They are Northern people who live in the South. - that’s a ridiculous statement and a very racist one.

    “these people, regardless of when they got here, have against all numerical odds, managed to keep themselves “genetically pure” for a very long time, and such an act can only be achieved via active caste-based discrimination” again a very racist statement , you can’t say they managed keep their race pure . its unhistorical and unscientific statement similarly to Nazi racism.

    The Brahmins of South India had mixed with ancestral South Indians and brahmins alone didn’t drove the agenda , the state religion of Tamil was Hinduism in 200 BC. You know nothing of Indian history and have a sectarian view of Southern and Northern people. And people shouldn’t follow Periyar and Ambedkar blindly . They drew their conclusions based on flawed colonial era theory that Aryans were solely north Indians , its not. The commies of India don’t hate brahmins or southern/Northern people , we hate the inherent caste structure based on land ownership and economic inequality , whatever Periyar and Ambedkar has said they failed to grasp the main problem behind the caste , which is zamindari system and vast land ownership by upper caste , even Ambedkar has mentioned Northern kshatriyas are more powerful than Brahmins , why ? Because of land ownership .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa3BV50PcLw&t=253s , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQX5LlJ7YXg You can search various research papers mentioned in the video. regarding Brahmins or not , A population living from 200 BC cannot be considered outsider by any logic.

    These brahmins drove the sanskritization. This sanskritizing/brahminizing influence was more complete in Maharashtra and Odisha, and was totally complete in the Gangetic Plain This theory is utter BS , There is no indo Gangetic plain problem , Kabir , Meera , Chaitanya , Nanak came from North only. And a whole branch of CPIM originated from North.

  • mughaloid@lemmygrad.mlOPtoGenZedong@lemmygrad.ml•"Hindu dharma" is apartheid and genocide of poor people.
    3·
    1 year ago

    Bro there was saint Kabir, Meera, sufis etc. In their poems they always had written about the animosity and hatred between hindus and Muslims. British just sparked the tension in 20th century by aligning themselves with Hindus and Muslim fundamentalists. But obviously the partition was inevitable. There was either of the chauvinism, it’s Islamic supremacist or Hindus. It was just a good moment in history of India that Nehru was socialist and secular oriented. Even his colleagues were pro hindu chauvinists like Sardar Patel and etc.