none of this justifies support for Russia

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1915/jul/26.htm

And the pathway to socialism will be built by Russian imperialism

At this point this is just “lesser evil-ism” comparable to the American elections (unless someone really believes that Russia is going to bring about socialism by blowing up NATO then I don’t even know what to say)

West is not a truthful/reliable source as you think it is.

You’re putting words in my mouth. Just because I don’t trust the Russian narrative doesn’t mean I trust the western narrative.

You keep looking down on our russian comrades with this other statement. What if I told you that Russia has way more probability to become socialist again than the whole European countries(that are actively rushing into fascism)?

It is better to take a step back on your contempt and investigate what russian comrades have achieved so far.

So your whole argument is that I’m supposed to support Russia because it has the possibility of turning socialist? How does that dismiss ANY of the arguments against this war denouncing it as imperialist?

Okay another argument is Ukrainian warcrimes (especially those against Donbass and part of the population that likes Russia). You obviously haven’t heard “two wrongs don’t make a right”

The Russian bourgeoisie has taken a contradictory stance with regard to the LDPR: on the one hand, it provided military and economic aid to the Donbass republics, but on the other hand, it did not politically recognize them and did not incorporate them into the Russian Federation like Crimea, but went to recognize the legitimacy of the pro-fascist Turchinov-Poroshenko-Zelensky puppet regime and signed the Minsk agreements with this regime. This did not bring peace to the LDPR and made the war a latent state on the line of contact for eight years, allowing thus the Ukrainian government to create a strong and Nazi-motivated army that became a threat not only to the LDPR but also to Russia itself.

https://www.idcommunism.com/2022/07/union-of-communists-of-ukraine-on-war-and-the-tasks-of-the-working-class.html?m=1 This is a statement of one of the organizations that was banned by the Ukrainian government

Progressive for the Russian oligarchs which no longer will have to split their pie with Ukrainian oligarchs

https://www.idcommunism.com/2022/02/ukraine-war-joint-statement-of-communist-and-workers-parties-no-to-imperialist-war.html?m=1

https://www.idcommunism.com/2022/07/union-of-communists-of-ukraine-on-war-and-the-tasks-of-the-working-class.html?m=1

Are you really using two accounts to “downvote” the comments you don’t agree with and upvote your own? lol

Might’ve been wrong to question myself there lol. Her argument revolves around “Well Russia was provoked so they’re actually fighting an anti imperialist war” and the predisposition you’ve to have in order to agree with her argument is that you believe most or at least a big part of the official Russian narrative.

Even if Russia really was provoked and is fighting for it’s own sovereignty (by invading another country? but ok) then it’s still a capitalist nation that’s preying upon the nostalgia of its Soviet past and it’s absolutely not becoming even slightly more communist by the day. Why should I care whether it’s the thirteen colonies or the British empire that wins the American civil war?

Stop clicking the down arrow button and answer my question

https://www.idcommunism.com/2022/07/union-of-communists-of-ukraine-on-war-and-the-tasks-of-the-working-class.html?m=1

I don’t honestly recall that line, is that from when Jyotishman plays devil’s advocate?

I should’ve made it more clear. This is not a line from the discussion it’s my parody of the title

Edit: but after watching some of this video I guess I don’t really understand the whole of this war and where it really came from. I’ll have to learn more I guess

Lenin, party, peace

“is a capitalist state trying to subordinate another capitalist state an anti capitalist state effort?” What

“extremism on gender/race/migration” they’re going to shot themselves!? ALHAMDULILLAH!!

“Marxism plus Leninism” makes it sound like a trot

Since when does Orthodox Marxism-Leninism mean operating a market economy? Since when does it mean having billionaires? Since when does it mean having private ownership of the means of production? Since when does it mean having the landlord class?

https://www.theredspectre.com/against-dengism

While China is obviously not as bad as the US or European social democracies it neither is a socialist state nor even a dictatorship of the proletariat (capital seeks to control every state it’s operating under!) how can you speak of a dictatorship of the working class when the CPC has bourgeois members within it?

That was earlier. The Bolsheviks split from the social democratic labour party in 1903 denouncing the term social democracy

But them using the “aesthetic” of socialism to win over the workers for their own fascist benefit is true (obviously)

(although Nutomic is a transphobe last I checked 😮‍💨).

Really? That’s a shame :(

I’m pretty sure lemmy.ml is ran by the developers of Lemmy itself and their political opinions… well I don’t think we have to be scared of them defederating from lemmygrad (https://dessalines.github.io/essays) also the two main developers both have profile pictures of Che Guevara and Fidel Castro respectively

While Xi and the CPC is somewhat revisionist they’re nowhere near close Trump level evil

1. They’re incompetent and they can’t get to him
2. While they paint him as the devil the US economy depends on China. Imagine what would happen if any US assassination attempts on Xi were to reach media and China

Probably for the best lol

Fascism, nationalism, xenophobia etc (trust me I was born in this shithole)

Don’t as a Fin their affiliations in the 1940s also social democracy bases it’s economy on off-loading the suffering from the imperial core to the periphery. Essentially social democracy is the embodiment of modern day imperialism (just like any capitalism is tbh)

Idk about Indonesia tho