and finally, what if we had invite-only/private communities?
We do have those, you can have instances not federate and be invite only. But lets face it discord does that better.
I think that together these are pretty reasonable and would satisfy OP.
None of those are reasonable and most break the very core concept of federation. What you are proposing is to burn down the fediverse in order to protect groups who are not asking for this.
give the victim a low impact tool that they can use to mitigate the harassment a bit.
It is nether low impact or given to just the victims. The concept you have proposed has also been used to build echo chambers of extreme right wing ideologies, used to cancel discourse and bully any descension to an idea, and most of all used to bully minorities by simply asking loaded questions with ultimatums then blocking the person. What you are advocating for flies in the very face of what lemmy is trying to do, and you are so confident that this will help victims you are willing to “close your eyes” to anything other then a standing ovation in response to your half baked idea.
We have the tools to deal with harassment (and they can always be improved), you seem to think unfettered censorship is needed to fix an issue you seem to have little knowledge or experience of. You could gain some insight by just volunteering to do some mod work, but you are unwilling to do so, yet still think you can speak with any authority on the subject. It is laughable and pure arrogance to think that copying something that has killed the spark/drive of other platforms is a good idea.
Slowly?! it has not even been a year!
Spite?
The fact that someones feelings don’t care about his facts also is kinda funny.
More 1st amendment (not that I am american). I think I made it clear that what you propose will do more harm and that what I am protecting is the ability for everyone to post on a public site based on the idea that it is what it was built for. I don’t think that lemmy has no harassment, but reporting and having much more private communities ran by members of that community is a better choice then giving every single person (the harassers included) the ability to police what is typed everywhere.
See, At least this is a reasonable argument. I don’t agree with it, and think you are conflating the need for private spaces and the existence of public ones.
The root of our impasse is that you think every public place needs to have drastic tools to protect people in the hands of all users, regardless of what that does to a platform.
you’ve already been accusing me of being a power hungry mod, and now you’re telling me to go make a community to mod?
No I am saying you don’t sound like you would be good at it, and then actively encouraged you to do so anyway.
i dont want to be a mod, being a mod sounds miserable, like ive repeatedly said.
You have not but I get it, you don’t want the responsibility, just a bit of the power.
LOL at standing up an instance as being a reasonable solution to anything for a normal user or small community.
Do you think the people who host instances are some special class? That it is some unattainable goal? Its not as much work as you think, I might spin up one myself this year.
My statements here, but you knew that. Once again if you feel other wise, please use the report feature.
Oh? does it not sit well with you?
Please show me where I am harassing someone, this would be valuable information.
And yes, I do think that what you are purposing would be abused and used for harassment.
the fact that youre suggesting someone just goes and makes their own instance shows that you’re being astronomically disingenuous.
You can go make a community right now, its not hard and very much encouraged. You can also make an instance but that is harder, and also encouraged.
Ah thanks for sharing the source!
Really that is helpful.
so as ada (the person you are claiming has shown you the light) said:
The Fediverse though, even though it has hate filled cesspits, gives us tools that put barriers between vulnerable groups and those spaces. The barriers are imperfect, they have booked holes and be climbed over by people who put the effort in, but they still block the worst if it.
In fact reading this I don’t think ada (we could just ask them) would take the same position as you on this. They are talking about overall systems and that public systems are not safe for people who have to hide their identity (I don’t 100% agree but do see the point). I would not try to put words into their mouth, and I would not use a conversation from 2 years ago in vague memory to argue a point.
Actually lets ask them @Ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone , discourse is healthy after all and like most users on this platform they likely have something of substance to say.
i mean, i’ve linked you to the conversation I had.
You have? I must have missed it, could you re paste it?
have you tried to talk to anyone about it? or are you just some white dude confidently saying that nobody should change anything because it works for you, so it should work for everyone else?
Odd, not sure what you are getting at. Talk about what? Are you sure you are replying to the right person. Also please continue to try and guess my gender, race, and world view, since it is clear you want to paint me in a way that you can disregard my statements. You wish to make me less then human, so please do.
They are not overworked and ineffective, at least not all. And no people can make conclusions on others based on their actions and words, you are not able to stop that.
This is not harassment. If you feel otherwise please use the tools provided and report.
My mind is going in overdrive thinking of the possibilities on this. This is like the argument equivalent of trying to pay with an IOU. “I have the best reasons, but you don’t know them as they live in another country” sort of stuff.
I am thinking there are a few possibilities (please add if you can, this is fun):
True, but you can see who mods what community and it means hiding there name is often pointless. I do agree that the name should be on the modlog though.
Yeah, this is just a wild take so far. They keep rolling out that it needs to happen to protect minorities from harassment, but don’t elaborate, at all. Not how having clearly abusable tools in the hands of every user would help, not on who the minority group is and how they are being harmed (just that they are! and are upset about it!), and instead of elaborating in anyway on this they just keep making up augments against them that no one has made.
They need to just make there own community at the very least. Its not hard, and would give them all the power they want and are asking for. But I assume since it would not give them the people automatically they will not.
Exactly, its why modlog and communities that exist just to bring up mod issues are a needed part of a healthy fediverce.
The idea that someone should be able to control what another user types without oversite is just megakaren levels of entitlement over others.
They would likely not like or agree with what the moderator decided, as moderators are ether fairly hands off unless needed or hated by the community. They want the ability to police others just due to them conversing with them.
Because that is how people learn.