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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 1 year ago

Second Russian invasion of Kharkiv caught Ukraine unprepared

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Second Russian invasion of Kharkiv caught Ukraine unprepared

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 1 year ago
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    America loves dead Ukrainians. If they didn’t, they wouldn’t have given weapons to literal Nazis in the 20-teens.

    See how stupid that ‘logic’ is?

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      The US did not give any money to Russia so your statement about Nazis makes no sense.

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        The Ukraine is a fascist dictatorship with an ideology rooted in Banderite Nazism. You know this.

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          Ukraine is a democracy so your entire premise is way off. Try again. Russia, however, is a fascist dictatorship and Portion has put many Nazis into power on occupied territories.

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            The Ukraine hasn’t been a democracy since the Nazi overthrow. Democracies have elections.

            Russia, however, is a fascist dictatorship and Portion has put many Nazis into power on occupied territories.

            You have no supporting argument for this or evidence.

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              Ukraine had an election. They elected Zelenskiy.

              Russia has sham elections that are fraught with ballot stuffing.

              Russia installed several Nazis in the areas they occupied.

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                They elected Zelensky then immediately outlawed all communist parties, outlawed protesting, outlawed strikes, postponed elections… real democracy vibes.

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                Russia has sham elections that are fraught with ballot stuffing.

                Russia installed several Nazis in the areas they occupied.

                Do you have anything to back this up?

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                  Alexander Zakharchenko and Igor Plotnitsky were both very clearly Nazis and both were installed by Russia.

                  https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/jewish-groups-condemn-anti-semitic-remarks-by-rebel-leaders-in-ukraine

                  As for ballot stuffing:

                  https://apnews.com/article/europe-russia-elections-voting-vladimir-putin-1a072af8580b05b134bd22df95a5ae83

                  https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/19/494549560/putins-united-russia-party-wins-big-in-election-some-ballot-stuffing-seen

                  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/03/20/fraud-violations-and-pressure-election-observers-describe-russian-2024-presidential-vote-a84508

                  Anybody claiming that was a legitimate election is not arguing in good faith.

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            I’m gonna preempt this before you even bring it up.

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        There were, and are, Washington Post and New York Times articles about this from before the latest unpleasantness made that an inconvenient truth to not acknowledge.

        Welcome to the real world where propaganda written by empires is literally “Who are you going to believe, Me or your lying eyes?”

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          I don’t recall WP or NYT articles about the US giving money to Russia for an invasion…

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            To Ukrainian Neo-nazi orgs like Right Sector and the Azov Battlion.

            Be pithy all you want. It doesn’t change the facts or the documented history.

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-turns-a-blind-eye-to-ultrarightist-militia/2017/02/12/dbf9ea3c-ecab-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html

            https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis

            https://khanna.house.gov/media/in-the-news/congress-bans-arms-ukraine-militia-linked-neo-nazis

            https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/09/opinion/driving-ukrainians-into-putins-arms.html

            Now go peddle your nonsense elsewhere.

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              The Azov Battalion does not run the country. I hate to break that to you. The neo Nazi elements of the Azov Battalion were pegged from it, BTW.

              Putin, however, did put two Nazis in charge of the sham breakaway regions he created.

              https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/jewish-groups-condemn-anti-semitic-remarks-by-rebel-leaders-in-ukraine

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                No one made that claim. It’s funny that that is what you backpedal to when you are proven wrong, though.

                Both were brought into the government military. And, when Zelensky ordered them away from the front lines in order to comply with the Minsk accords to end the war, which is what Zelensky ran on, by the by, they refused those orders.

                The Nazi elements weren’t pegged from them, either. If they have gone down, it is due to the high casualty rates.

                But, all of that is immaterial.

                You made a wrong claim, it was proven false, and you just moved the goalposts to other wrong claims.

                You’re either arguing in bad faith and a paid propagandist, or you’re one of those unfortunate souls incapable of admitting when they are wrong. For your personal life I hope it is the former.

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