If people can’t be arsed enough to even get their post format correct, they don’t deserve the free promotion.

    • Rikudou_SageAEnglish
      13•1 year ago

      Yep, feel free to offer suggestion for improvement (or link to false positives, so I can fix that)!

      • pruwybenEnglish
        6•1 year ago

        One thing I’ve noticed is the bot seems to “correct” people who include both the Lemmy-friendly link and the actual URL in their post. I’ve seen this a few times, although it’s possible the posters are editing the posts to add this in response to the bot. It’d be nice if the bot could check for this.

        • Rikudou_SageAEnglish
          3•1 year ago

          Yes, I know about that and I think it’s working as intended, only the message sucks. I already changed it today, but now that I’m looking at it again, it still sucks :/

          Do you have any idea for a better message? There are two messages currently, one for Lemmy users and one for non-Lemmy users:

          • Lemmy users message: Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this:
          • Non-Lemmy users message: Hi there! The links in your text lead away from the user’s instance, here are fixed links that stay on each user’s instance:
          • @TeaHands@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3•1 year ago

            Well to post to Lemmy from Mastodon, the Mastodon user has to tag the community. That tag displays as a link on the Lemmy side. The Mastodon user has no control over the format of said link, as it’s a Mastodon user tag. So your bot shouldn’t be trying to correct it at all in this case.

            • Rikudou_SageAEnglish
              2•1 year ago

              The user may tag multiple communities, I tried to not phrase as a correction but more like “here’s a link for Lemmy users”.

              • @TeaHands@lemmy.worldEnglish
                3•1 year ago

                It’s just not needed though, is the thing. These “links” aren’t links that are posted for people to follow, they’re just an artifact of having posted from Mastodon. As we get more interaction between the two platforms, your bot as currently written will reply to every single post and comment made from Mastodon, ever. It serves literally no purpose in this situation other than to clog up threads.

                I’m not trying to start a fight or anything. If you absolutely won’t be convinced that it’s pointless replying to Mastodon tags, maybe you can at least consider limiting it to replying only on the main post? Otherwise, again, every single comment in the thread that is made from Mastodon is going to get the same bot response.

                • Rikudou_SageAEnglish
                  3•1 year ago

                  Replying to only the top-level post for Mastodon makes sense to me, thanks for the suggestion!

                  Edit: I temporarily disabled replies to Mastodon posts until I can think of a better solution.

        • Rikudou_SageAEnglish
          3•1 year ago

          Yeah, banning them on instance level or defederating seems like the worst idea. Blocking them on individual / community level is the way to go.

            • Rikudou_SageAEnglish
              1•1 year ago

              If you block it, it won’t reply to you. If you ban it on instance level, it will be blocked on all federated instances on all communities. If you defederate, you will block real people on the instance the bot is on.

              • Cold HotmanEnglish
                1•1 year ago

                If you block it, it won’t reply to you. If you ban it on instance level, it will be blocked on all federated instances on all communities.

                This is a good point. Yet I feel like there’s a point where the annoyance overshadows the benefits. If there’s an annoying bot on every single instance, is it still reasonable to snipe-ban individual bots? What if a server is mostly bots, yet have real users?

                I think it’s better not to accept bots at all.

                If you defederate, you will block real people on the instance the bot is on.

                This is true. But the argument feels a bit hollow when you plan on blocking Threads. If you are willing to block ten million users, why shouldn’t others block your 40?

                • Rikudou_SageAEnglish
                  1•1 year ago

                  Yet I feel like there’s a point where the annoyance overshadows the benefits.

                  The bot is generally liked, it has much more upvotes than downvotes, so that sounds like a you problem.

                  I think it’s better not to accept bots at all.

                  That’s your opinion. But clearly the creators of Lemmy itself think bots should be accepted, otherwise they wouldn’t add a flag to mark user as a bot. And in your settings you can even disable seeing any bots, which sounds like the perfect solution for you.

                  But the argument feels a bit hollow when you plan on blocking Threads.

                  That’s whataboutism. That’s an entirely different issue than you disliking bots.

                  why shouldn’t others block your 40?

                  Because that’s not how federation should work. Sure, block the instance all you want, but you’re actively going against the spirit of Fediverse, especially when you have many other tools to solve it differently.

    • @CaspianXI@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11•1 year ago

      These are people who want to be mods of communities. If you don’t understand the basics of how this platform works, you probably need to spend more time as a regular user before becoming a moderator.

  • @Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    20•1 year ago

    If people can’t be arsed enough to even get their post format correct (when it is clearly described in the post rules), they don’t deserve the free promotion.

    • curiosityLynx
      7•1 year ago

      To be fair the post rules don’t explain how the ! syntax works. !community@instan.ce btw.

      That’s also the only format that works across platforms.

    • livus
      4•1 year ago

      I wish the post rules would also include what to do for kbin.

      At the moment if I’m interested in a community I often have to write the url myself.

      Also I don’t know how to format kbin urls for lemmy users to follow.

      • curiosityLynx
        1•1 year ago

        Lemmy community for kbin: /search?q=newcommunities@lemmy.world

        Technically the actual link is /m/newcommunities@lemmy.world, but if your kbin instance has no subscribers to that community yet, you have to first find it with the first link and subscribe to it, otherwise you get a 404.

        At least on kglitch.social, using !newcommunities@lemmy.world seems to work like a combination of both: Searching for it when kglitch.social doesn’t know about it yet, going to /m/community if kglitch.social does know about it.

        • livus
          2•1 year ago

          Thanks, I mean I wish the formula was included in the rules so people making posts would include it so I could just click.

          The part I don’t know is how to post a kbin community for Lemmy users.

          • curiosityLynx
            2•1 year ago

            That’s easy: /c/Animemes@kbin.social for the permanent link or !Animemes@kbin.social (the latter might only work if posted from kglitch)

            Basically, the exact same as for a lemmy community for lemmy users.

            • livus
              1•1 year ago

              Thanks!

              Yay maybe now thanks to you I can promote my new community!