OpenAI now tries to hide that ChatGPT was trained on copyrighted books, including J.K. Rowling’s Harry Potter series::A new research paper laid out ways in which AI developers should try and avoid showing LLMs have been trained on copyrighted material.

  • Blapoo@lemmy.ml
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    We have to distinguish between LLMs

    • Trained on copyrighted material and
    • Outputting copyrighted material

    They are not one and the same

    • Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Yeah, this headline is trying to make it seem like training on copyrighted material is or should be wrong.

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        Legally the output of the training could be considered a derived work. We treat brains differently here, that’s all.

        I think the current intellectual property system makes no sense and AI is revealing that fact.

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        I think this brings up broader questions about the currently quite extreme interpretation of copyright. Personally I don’t think its wrong to sample from or create derivative works from something that is accessible. If its not behind lock and key, its free to use. If you have a problem with that, then put it behind lock and key. No one is forcing you to share your art with the world.

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      Should we distinguish it though? Why shouldn’t (and didn’t) artists have a say if their art is used to train LLMs? Just like publicly displayed art doesn’t provide a permission to copy it and use it in other unspecified purposes, it would be reasonable that the same would apply to AI training.

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        Ah, but that’s the thing. Training isn’t copying. It’s pattern recognition. If you train a model “The dog says woof” and then ask a model “What does the dog say”, it’s not guaranteed to say “woof”.

        Similarly, just because a model was trained on Harry Potter, all that means is it has a good corpus of how the sentences in that book go.

        Thus the distinction. Can I train on a comment section discussing the book?

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      Output from an AI has just been recently considered as not copyrightable.

      I think it stemmed from the actors strikes recently.

      It was stated that only work originating from a human can be copyrighted.

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        Output from an AI has just been recently considered as not copyrightable.

        Where can I read more about this? I’ve seen it mentioned a few times, but never with any links.

        • Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          They clearly only read the headline If they’re talking about the ruling that came out this week, that whole thing was about trying to give an AI authorship of a work generated solely by a machine and having the copyright go to the owner of the machine through the work-for-hire doctrine. So an AI itself can’t be authors or hold a copyright, but humans using them can still be copyright holders of any qualifying works.