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Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldBannedBanned from community to Political Memes@lemmy.world · 1 year ago

Consistency

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  • GeneralVincent@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    I didn’t vote for Trump, but I should be killed because he got into power anyways? That’s fucked up, especially since Hamas was financially supported by israel

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      1 year ago

      If Trumps insanity escalates too much and you fail to distance yourself sufficiently then at one point thats the only way.

      Think about it from the other side: was it wrong to accept collateral damage to german civilians in order to stop the Nazis? How is this different?

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        First, how is it different?

        That was a traditional war, with opposing armies facing each other in combat. Palestine cannot have an army due to the oslo accords.

        The majority of the people killed in WWII Germany were the victims of the Holocaust, then the German soldiers, not civilians. Here, the vast majority killed are civilians, not the Hamas combatants.

        The goal of the Allies was to end the war. The goal of israel is revenge and (depending on which israeli you ask) the elimination of the state is Palestine.

        Second, no I don’t think that the German civilian deaths were fine. Just like I don’t agree with dropping atomic bombs on two Japanese civilian towns. And WWII is infamous for being brutal, inhumane, and a repulsive example of human hatred and violence.

        So to summarize, killing innocent people is bad. The people dying don’t deserve to die and don’t have to die. israel should stop.

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          I disagree. Israel is not targeting civilians, they are getting caught up because Hamas uses human shield tactics that maximize civilian deaths. Israel also is not in to destroy palestine or for revenge, they are in for destroying Hamas. And when dealing with extremists you have to go for full surrender, always was like this thoughout history and it’s also true here. War has changed that’s true and Israel is making use of that to minimize civilian deaths, did you note how they are using guided bombs instead if carpet bombing for instance? Still it’s impossible to save every innocent civilian and it is an infeasible standard for a war even in this day and age.

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            1 year ago

            I disagree. Israel is not targeting civilians

            Well that’s just objectively wrong.

            Exclusive: Nearly half of the Israeli munitions dropped on Gaza are imprecise ‘dumb bombs,’ US intelligence assessment finds

            Israel dropped more bombs to Gaza in a week than the US did in Afghanistan… in a year.

            Israel drops 6,000 bombs in Gaza in 6 days, nearly matching US total in Afghanistan in 1 year: Report

            But you’ll criticise the sources so let’s go with the UN (although IDF trolls will still complain that UN is somehow controlled by Hamas or smth equally silly)

            https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15564.doc.htm

            As Israel’s Aerial Bombardments Intensify, ‘There Is No Safe Place in Gaza’, Humanitarian Affairs Chief Warns Security Council

            Gaza: UN experts call on international community to prevent genocide against the Palestinian people

            GENEVA (16 November 2023) – Grave violations committed by Israel against Palestinians in the aftermath of 7 October, particularly in Gaza, point to a genocide in the making, UN experts said today. They illustrated evidence of increasing genocidal incitement, overt intent to “destroy the Palestinian people under occupation”, loud calls for a ‘second Nakba’ in Gaza and the rest of the occupied Palestinian territory, and the use of powerful weaponry with inherently indiscriminate impacts, resulting in a colossal death toll and destruction of life-sustaining infrastructure.

            Israel’s military response has killed more than 29,000 Palestinians, according to the Gaza Health Ministry, which doesn’t distinguish between civilians and combatants but says the majority are women and children

            https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-opt-new-evidence-of-unlawful-israeli-attacks-in-gaza-causing-mass-civilian-casualties-amid-real-risk-of-genocide/

            At least 95 civilians – nearly half of them children – killed in four unlawful strikes in Rafah

            Attacks took place in southern governorate supposed to be “safe”

            All four strikes are likely direct attacks on civilians and civilian objects and must be investigated as war crimes

            Tldr gtf on out of here, idf troll

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