More honest than everything else reported this week on the issue.
Barrister Mahmud Hawila, who has previously represented the protest organisers, said police told them they had doubts about the video’s veracity within days of the protest.
Misleading reporting. The police statement this week specifically says it wasn’t doctored.
I think the ‘veracity’ in question was that of the captioning.
Fair enough, this may not be deliberately misleading. But the article does unfortunately leave out the police statement verifying the video (sans captions) is undoctored.
By not being specific, it gives the wrong impression that the video was doctored. Indeed that is what Antoinette Lattouf is implying this week.
Yeah, I agree, the language used by people could be more precise.
By not being specific, it gives the wrong impression that the video was doctored. Indeed that is what Antoinette Lattouf is implying this week.
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BREAKING: it took 100+ days, but NSW police can now confirm there’s no evidence “gas the Jews” was chanted outside the Opera House.
@cameronwilson & I investigated the authenticity of the AJA edited & distributed video
I don’t think Lattouf is being hugely misleading there, the accuracy of the captioning could reasonably come under the term ‘authenticity’. But it might have been better if she used ‘accuracy’ there instead of ‘authenticity’, I guess. I think the point she is making, though, is that if there’s an established inaccuracy in the captioning, that reasonably casts doubt on the honesty of other aspects about the videos that Lattouf and Wilson had called into question in their original article: https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/12/13/viral-footage-gas-the-jews-police-factcheckers-unverified/
From that article:
Analysis of the AJA videos by verification experts at RMIT CrossCheck found a number of signs that suggest audio was edited. This review seen by Crikey notes that the audio is often out of sync with the video, that a section of audio was repeated during a clip, and that some audio was repeated while different clips were being shown. These suggest that additional editing was done beyond splicing different video clips together.
Wilson and Lattouf explore some of this in their article from after the police made their announcement: https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/02/05/protest-video-gas-the-jews-investigation-sky-news-aja
That article includes:
NSW Police told the media that the AJA’s video “had not been doctored” but instead was edited into a compilation.
I’m not sure to what degree ‘doctored’ and ‘edited into a compilation’ are ambiguous here. Watching the video, it seems to me they’ve done more than put a number of raw video clips with their own audio into a single video sequentially. It seems very unambiguous to me that there’s sections of the video where they’re playing one continuous audio track but they cut between multiple different video sources - or at one point it looks like they skip forward in the same video source (while the audio track seems to remain continuous). I think it could definitely be misleading in terms of how widespread the anti-semitic chants were among the crowd, and the crowd’s response to them. Both the Crikey articles I’ve linked above cite more than one expert who has done some real analysis, though, which is worth a lot more than my impression.
The expanded quote from the police, about ‘had not been doctored’, by the way, is:
“There is a compilation video, which has a number of audio and visual files, those audio and visual files have not been doctored, they are simply cuts from a more ‘parent file’.
“When examined, the parent file and the video compilation have the same audio and visual and from that the expert has been able to conclude they are the words that were used.”
That full quote doesn’t - on my reading anyway - explicitly contradict the idea that the compilation is something other than a simple sequential compilation of sections of video with their own synchronised audio. It doesn’t really seem to say that all audio was in sync with the video played, just that all audio and video was from the same file. In fact, the way it phrases it as “audio and visual files” instead of, say, ‘audiovisual files’ if anything seems to suggest that the audio and video have indeed been spliced separately.
Anyway, probably ended up going too deep on that one, but I got interested.
Indeed you can see/hear for yourself that the video did switch video scenes while maintaining audio continuity.
If they were different angles of the same incident then it is legitimate documentary style editing but I certainly would not have done it that way if I was AJA and after reading your comment I acknowledge that they deserve criticism for it.
I didn’t realize there was a follow-up Crikey article today. Thanks. And surprised that Lattof took on the criticism thrown her way on Twitter yesterday.
In fact I cancelled my Crikey subscription because of the article they wrote in December but am impressed with this new article and may resubscribe.
“There has been a smear campaign against Palestinians… by smearing us as anti-Semites or as people who are celebrating terror and that could not be further from the truth.”
And yet the same guy says:
“I did, at the time, point out there were anti-Semitic phrases that I heard”
I don’t think he understands the phrase “that could not be further from the truth.”
So because a small group of people who were asked to leave said something anti-semetic, that means all Palestinians are to you?
Steady on. No need to get dramatic and accuse me of stuff.
If nobody said anything racist then that would be further from the truth.
The guy misspoke implying nothing could be further from the truth.
While it is commendable that these organisers toned down subsequent rallies, I don’t recall even a few bad apples amongst the Sydney Jewish community ever publicly celebrating the slaughter of Palestinians.
What exactly did they tone down, their inherent anti-Semitism?
Yes. Although “From the River to the Sea” I would argue is anti-Semitic and they sure are using that, in fact the Left wing have also taken this on.
The same day of the Oct 7 Massacre I went to a music gig at a venue in Camperdown where the host expressed solidarity with Palestine but didn’t utter a word of sorrow or regret for the slaughter by Hamas.
Do you support any of the calls for a ceasefire?
You may be following the negotiations more closely than me so I am not sure how useful my opinion is. In fact I only just looked it up.
AFAIK there is no bombing now so the terms of the proposed ceasefire are important.
a Hamas official in Beirut, Osama Hamdan, also reiterated that any deal short of a permanent ceasefire was likely to be rejected.
Dunno if a permanent one is a good idea. Would be good to eliminate Hamas but I don’t even know if that is realistic. Would be even better to eliminate Bibi.
I do know that The Greens (whom I have always supported until this incident) walked out when Labor refused to sign the initial call for a cease-fire. Labor later explained that the document didn’t even mention October 7 so I feel they were right to not sign that time.
Presumably the document was amended soon after because Labor did then sign it about a week later. Do you recall the details?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
NSW Police say forensic analysis has found no evidence the phrase “gas the Jews” was chanted in videos circulating online from a pro-Palestinian rally at the Sydney Opera House in October.
On October 9, hundreds of pro-Palestinian protesters rallied at the landmark, which was lit blue and white in solidarity with Israel following the Hamas attacks on the Jewish state.
The phrase “gas the Jews” could lead to a prosecution under 93Z of the Crimes Act for publicly threatening or inciting violence on the grounds of race or religion.
The state government launched a review last month into laws relating to hate speech and incitement to violence, to be overseen by Tom Bathurst KC.
Executive Council of Australian Jewry co-CEO Alex Ryvchin said multiple independent witnesses have verified and declared that the ‘gas the Jews’ phrase, which attracted international media attention was used.
Federal Opposition Leader Peter Dutton said “the accounts from that night speak for themselves” and that it was “a moment of national shame that shouldn’t have been allowed to take place”.
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