Four-times-indicted former president Donald Trump has been successfully selling white Christian nostalgia, racism and xenophobia to his base. However, the Public Religion Research Institute’s massive poll of 6,616 participants suggests that what works with his base might pose an insurmountable problem with Gen Z teens and Gen Z adults (who are younger than 25).
Demographically, this cohort of voters bears little resemblance to Trump’s older, whiter, more religious followers. “In addition to being the most racially and ethnically diverse generation in our nation’s history, Gen Z adults also identify as LGBTQ at much higher rates than older Americans,” the PRRI poll found. “Like millennials, Gen Zers are also less likely than older generations to affiliate with an established religion.”
Those characteristics suggest Gen Z will favor a progressive message that incorporates diversity and opposes government imposition of religious views. Indeed, “Gen Z adults (21%) are less likely than all generational groups except millennials (21%) to identify as Republican.” Though 36 percent of Gen Z adults identify as Democrats, their teenage counterparts are more likely to be independents (51 percent) than older generations.
I want this to be true with every being of my body. BUT….they’ve been saying this for years about each generation.
Same. I’m nearly 40, and I’ve been hearing this since before I could vote, and yet the GOP hasn’t been voted out of existence. If it were up to me they’d be purged from every position of power nationwide.
There were/are a lot of olds. They have dominated politics for a long time and have also not died due to being the first people to take advantage of modern medicine.
first people to take advantage of modern medicine
I never considered that, and it’s a damn tragedy. We gave the most short-sighted generation the longest lifespan in human history 🤦♂️
Yeah, unfortunately they’re also the leaded gas generation.
I mis led. Made pant tast good. I stop eeting pant win led got took a way.
Car slow down to. Never drank gas but huf it alot win I was a teenajer. Dint hurt me and I vote so thare.
There were/are a lot of olds. They have dominated politics for a long time and have also not died
I keep thinking Covid was a missed opportunity.
And instead what we got is the Democrat party moving to the right. Because as it turns out, procorporate trash would rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists.
Young people are generally far less likely to vote, so which way they vote is somewhat irrelevant.
But Gen Z did have a higher turnout in 2022 than prior generations.
So it be smart to go listen to try and not only keep them at the table, to offer more chairs too.
Headline aside, 28% turnout for genz vs 23% for millenials, genx, and boomers in their respective first midterms is not going to swing an election where current boomers turn out 70% and genx turn out 60.
But they did swing the 2022 midterms.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/analyses/the-2022-midterm-elections-what-the-historical-data-suggest
In the 22 midterm elections from 1934 -2018, the President’s party has averaged a loss of 28 House seats and four Senate seats.
In 2022 the Democratic party only lost 7 House seats and gained a Senate seat.
Leading into the election polli g and pundits predicted a decisive win for Republicans, and the unprecedented youth the out by Gen Z is credited as being a difference maker in the Democratic party outperforming expectations.
It would be foolish to write off Gen Z in 2024 by attributing to them the preceding generations’ (including mine, I’m Gen X) participation at matching ages.
I feel like the 2022 turnout is more down to the unique conditions and issues, across the age spectrum - especially Dobbs and election lies - than to anything specific to 20-year-olds. 28% turnout still means that the vast majority of GenZ can’t be bothered.
I mean, the handful of GenZ that have reached adulthood do seem marginally more active than other post-war cohorts, but they aren’t overthrowing historic voting trends. Pinning hopes for future political outcomes on them is as foolish as pinning the future of US democracy to black voters, or hispanic voters or any other minority/niche population, but media love doing just that. Just try googling “black women save democracy.”
Well fuck it, let’s ignore the last two elections they influenced and give up on them then.
Or, I dunno,
So it be smart to go listen to try and not only keep them at the table, to offer more chairs too.
No way buddy if they’re not showing up for the whitest, oldest, boomerest strike blocking genocide supporting procorporate trash candidate there’s literally no pleasing them. These damn 40 year old kids don’t know a compromise when they see it! /s
That’s the avalanche starting right there.
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Weren’t 2020 and 2022 record years for youth voter turnout?
Shhh. Democrats can’t keep ignoring issues important to young people if they admit young people vote.
They were record years for voter turnout in general. So youth turnout, though improved from previous years, was still less than turnout of older generations.
Can’t imagine why that would be. Boomers elected the whitest, oldest, boomerest candidate running in the 2020 primaries. Don’t these young people know a compromise when they see it?? /s
No, young voters were the strongest supporters of the oldest white guy in the 2020 Democratic primary. He came in second.
“they” are the same people who control politics and have ensured that the balance isn’t disrupted, please grow to realise this, it is not natural for humans to be divided down the middle over how to follow natural law
What the fuck are you going on about? Also they in fucken qoutes, smells like 4Chan JQ trite. Also natural law? Like fucken gravity, or are ya vague posten about trans folks. Ya know what it doesnt matter, your entire comment read like a damned dog whistle and I am satisfied pointen it out.
If ya can give a reasonable explanation please do. If not piss off.
I’ve never seen a (non-ironic) post with an accent before. Good callout o7
stop using full grammar when you can’t even type correctly half the time, you need to establish a firm grasp upon the logic with which the world exists in to understand that most things pushed nowadays aren’t correct, i suggest you exercise your mind by means of theorising about concepts rather than jumping upon a wish to “see sources”, because the sources are invented by those who want to keep you from your own mind :)
I have never seen someone give off stronger sovereign citizen vibes without specifically mentioning “traveling not driving” or admiralty law. If you’re trolling, well done.
irrelevant comment, it usually is you clusterfucked anti-religion people who turn out whining harder than i’ve ever seen one of my own do
Its called phonetic writing ya shitstain, a concept pioneered by Samuel Clemens. Also way to fucken go with dodgen the fucken question, maybe if you read a little you wouldnt be an insufferable cur, and this is commin from an Inland Imperial Redneck.
it’s actually called spelling words incorrectly, rant when you can spell right lol
I can spell “correctly” if I want, I choose not to. But then again you sound like someone who gets pissy that I spell and say aluminum and not aliminium even though I aint a fucking Saxon.
But that is all irrelevant, you are choosing to not interact with any of my points due to a thin veneer of classism. All cause I choose to spell phonetically. Or in other words, Ya done did what I expected boy.
But I can practically smell thine weakness through your comments. And allfather willing I hope you can hike up thine fucking panties and respond properly, stop being a gormless cowardly bitch.
i’m also not english, i’m irish by family, culture, ethnicity, language, and self-declaration, thankfully i’m not a putrid american and i can even speak the languages i do in the correct manner lol, please do come back to me when you have a valid point to make though, whenever or if-ever that should be :)
“Gen Z adults (21%) are less likely than all generational groups except millennials (21%) to identify as Republican.”
Wow, this actually makes me proud to be a millennial.
It goes to show that those articles that shit on Millennials are just trying to create a division.
Gen Z, we’ve got your back.
If we can actually get them to vote.
Looking good so far!
It’s really an incredible data point. I am the king of the youth vote skeptics but, 2022 was a great year for young voters. I am cautiously optimistic that a generation of regular voters is coming of age. Most of what is wrong with our democracy can be helped greatly by broader engagement and participation. So much of the bullshit only works because nobody can be bothered to show up to vote for any office other than the president.
My mom was saying how ridiculous it was to think of lowering the voting age to 16.
I said we don’t seem to have a problem with requiring them to become parents at that age, so I fail to see the issue. If you’re okay with forced-birth initiatives, how can you oppose voting?
A 16 year old has more at stake than an 80 year old
The common refrain I hear from older voters is that 16 and 17 year olds age idiots and don’t understand the world. There are a lot of problems with this argument. Among them:
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1 or 2 years at that age does not magically result in most people becoming world-wise and informed. Many 16 and 17 year olds have just as good a grasp on voting factors as 18 year olds.
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Like anything, perspective, awareness, and seeing both the bigger picture and the nuanced details often comes at very different times for very different people. To disenfranchise all 16 and 17 year olds just because a minority might be immature in grossly unfair.
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Plenty of the older people who argue 16/17 year olds are clueless idiots, and the same people who keep voting for objectively horrible politicians, who blindly follow a political party like it’s a sports team, and who vote against their own interests due to gullibly lapping up flagrantly bias and false ‘news’. Their judgement is seriously flawed.
As a Gen-Xer I say let the 16 and 17 year olds vote too. Their voices should be heard.
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I agree with you. And not for nothing, but a six year old can know that taking kids from their mom’s, putting kids in cages, and drowning refugees on barbedwire fences, is not a good direction. They can understand pollution and who is responsible for it, and the results.
almost like they don’t want everything going to shit, and finally realized that twiddling thumbs won’t get rid of these dumbasses.
Gen Z needs to get out and vote and get their friends to do the same like their future depends on it, because it does.
Some additional interesting points in the cited poll report:
- Gen Z adults trend slightly less Republican than older Americans. More than half of Gen Z teens do not identify with a major party, but most share their parents’ party affiliation.
- Gen Z adults are more liberal than older Americans. Gen Z teens are more moderate.
- Gen Z is more religiously diverse than older generations. Gen Z teens mirror their parents’ religious affiliation. Gen Z teens are more likely than Gen Z adults to attend church or find religion important.
- Most Gen Z Americans, particularly Gen Z Democrats, are more likely than older Americans to believe that generational change in political leadership is necessary to solve the country’s problems. Younger and older generations both express a lack of understanding across generational lines.
It bothers me that younger Gen Zs find religion more important than older Gen Zs. I’d hate to see all that progress in abandoning religion reversed.
If the demarcation point is adulthood, it seems reasonable to believe the “younger gen z attend church or think religion is important” probably shows more that their parents make them go than anything.
Hmmm that’s a good point, and I hope you’re right. I just shudder to think that all the conservative Prager U and “He Gets Us” indoctrination and propaganda might be working.
I think that fundamentalist views come from a lack of knowledge of the religion itself. Seems kinda suspect that your pastor went to seminary and learned that historically the Jews didn’t come from Egypt but the land of Canaan, had zero cultural exchange with Egypt, and did the same things they called the canaanites evil for (looking at you sacrificing your daughter Jepthah), but with a straight face will preach the exodus and plagues to an ignorant congregation.
I was so Christian it became incompatible with modern Christianity, and I’m not the only one.
The truth doesn’t fear the light, or being asked questions and cross examined, and Christian’s fear nothing greater to the point they have to pretend the ultimate evil big bad is creating the questions, and not the lies they told us for centuries.
Except younger people are disalousned with democracy. The younger generation trends more towards authoratative rule over older generations. The younger the generation the less likely they are to believe in the holocaust was real or exaggerated…
natural law taking course, the political system wants people to believe that following the natural law with no compromises is “authoritarian”, though democracy is just a farce to avoid following nature
I’m a xennial, but I went from being more into religion than my parents, getting people to come get me and take me to church until I had a car and more, to Atheist (with a weird neopagan interlude in my early 20s). Both sets of my parents, on the other hand, swung back more to religion to some degree or another (though both have at least one parent that is more into what they think the Bible says vs what it actually does).
It sometimes surprises me that there people this aggressively atheist.
It really doesn’t surprise me that much. Religion is heavily politicized and is a powerful motivator for many large and/or extreme groups of people.
Religion has done some serious harm to a lot of people. It’s natural this would lead to some radicalization. I am personally in favor putting religious trauma in the DSM. Something about my religious leaders advocating electroshock torture to ‘cure’ homosexuality left a bad taste in my mouth.
it only bothers you because you are scared of nature taking it’s course, that natural law is being followed, because the abandonment of religion is a debasement triggered by unintelligent ape-wannabes who genuinely believe that humans dictate moral law :)
To clarify, there are a set of rules in your head that you attribute to a religious figure, that you expect the rest of society to follow because doing otherwise hurts your snowflake feelings.
That’s a rather psychopathic view of the world, and I pity you for it
the views are natural, they exist in nature and you can freely observe them at will, they are in the head of everything that isn’t your head, apparently :)
Please detail, cite, or otherwise reference these natural laws, morals, and/or rules that we’re supposed to be abiding by.
Psh, look at this guy, he doesn’t know the innate morals all humans are imbued with at birth. Loser!
humans are not inbued with morals, the world has morals, humans are a blank canvas shapeable by their experiences, and for the most truth they should look for nature’s law, though at least you are closer than these others
look at things through a lens of logic and it’ll all come clear, there are endless rules provided a topic can be conceptualised, in this instance we see the political system (a farce designed by people above the political interface designed to make people believe they control the world), whereas it contrasts to understanding the world around us is not one that humans may decide the laws of, rather we are all dictated by what is and has been, human-invented morals are a farce designed to also try to tell people that they determine the world, but nature doesn’t care for the make-believe laws invented in the heads of people, conceptualised exclusively and not observable in nature
Dude, you’re not half as clever as you seem to think you are.
I’ve seen nature at work, cruel and harsh. Predators eating prey alive, no mercy, no justice. Where might makes right, as there is no human law to intercede. Are those the natural laws you’re referring to?
Your other posts imply you view the world colored through a religious lens… Which is not a natural view. Supernatural, possibly, but anything but natural.
Those Gen Z teens will look more like the Gen Z adults when they themselves become adults. They are being influenced by their parents. But religiosity has been and is continuing to collapse, basically everywhere. :)
you just stated that the opposite is happening as to what the original post said, and religion is actually on the rise, whether you like it or not, there will be conflict in which the people who deny natural law will either accept natural law, or end by natural law :)
“Agree with us or we’ll kill you” is peak modern religion. Well done!
the people who disagree with the world being a truthful one cannot exist alongside a truthful world, and the world is truthful, you can shove your quran back to the fucking desert as i can tell you would bend over backwards to protect it despite being a self proclaimed “hater of religion”, i only hope the truth will come to you, though you don’t know to receive it :)
Let me know when all the religious folks can agree on what’s true and what’s not. Maybe then I can take religion seriously.
american article, invalid, abide by natural law and the sources will be in your own mind immediately :)
Yeah, whatever. Your faith is dying. Good riddance.
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And what evidence can you provide to support these claims?
Religion seems to be common in humans at least for the last few thousand years as evidenced by archaeological study of many past civilizations. I’m not really familiar with anything prior to Mesopotamia so I can’t speak to that.
With the advent of science and reason, humans have come to learn far more reliable ways of acquiring knowledge than those that lead to religious traditions. Thus, it stands to reason that, as more people come to understand scientific thinking, they would be more likely to question and reject beliefs that aren’t based on sound evidence.
scientific thinking is inherently that of natural law, which inherently is religious (when known correctly), in reality it must be known that the natural world is observable through conceptualisation, i urge you to step from society with a written method of recording yourself, think of all you can think about in the topic you’re curious in, and thoughts will flow through you
This is word salad.
this is someone who doesn’t know basic words
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how many messages are you going to create and then delete, have your timbers been shivered?
Couldn’t get GIFs to work. Don’t get your jimmies rustled.
that’s actually a valid response, and i welcome them, i extend my apologies
More gen z identify as LGBTQ+ than Rebulican. Should add that to the list.
Not if they keep getting all their news from TikTok
https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-gender-gap-young-men-women-dont-agree-politics-2024-1?op=1
But another article shows the males in the generation becoming more conservative. Heck knows it’s the male fantasy of control driving the MAGA movement. Gotta keep the women, illegals, liberals, and the rest of the world under their control.
Yeah that % gap left a lot of room for independents, and I’m worried they continue to lean right amongst youth and we’re underestimating kids on tiktok doing their own research on vaccines, and why “the Dems are as bad as the GOP”
Buddy…
After speaking with more than 20 Gen Zers…
Speaking with 21 people does not make a representative sample.
And something is off at the Harvard youth poll the article is relying on for the whole, “men are becoming more conservative claim”. When you pull their data (It’s the button labeled crosstabs) for previous years they’ve labeled three race categories as “Hispanic”. White and Black labels are MIA so we can probably assume they’re the mislabeled. But that’s kind of weird to have happen. The tweet they actually link to is by the poll supervisor but he doesn’t link back to his own poll. Probably because there’s no category in the results for “White Male”. There’s White and there’s Male, but they don’t give that intersection in their results for party affiliation.
Polling usually isn’t this hard to track down and figure out. The best we can say with the publicly available data from that poll is that in the last few years 6 percent more young men identify as Republican. White respondents only rose by 1 percent. It’s important to note that’s not an out of character swing. It could easily come from frustrated libertarians moving to the GOP. Especially since the Democrats lost 7 points and Independents remained steady at 38-40 %. Without more information it’s all tea leaves. (and going I doesn’t mean becoming more conservative, there’s a lot of disaffected progressives.)
One thing their 2023 takeaways was very clear about though is that among likely Gen Z voters Biden has a double digit lead. Which would mean the article we’re here commenting on is accurate. As you can absolutely be a Republican and not vote for the MAGA man.
Overall this is the second piece I’ve seen from a conservative outlet trying to paint a Gen Z gender gap with men becoming more conservative. Broader polling absolutely does not support this. It may support it in the future, but Gallup’s 2023 May poll, and PRRI’s most recent polling (Obviously as we’re talking about it here) show a continuing trend of progressive leanings in Gen Z across all demographics.
Hey there’s some good news there, though:
Today, female Gen Zers are more likely than their male counterparts to vote, care more about political issues, and participate in social movements and protests.
This actually, from my anecdotal evidence from my parents, matches the '60’s. A lot of women protesting, a lot of men complaining about women protesting.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
“In addition to being the most racially and ethnically diverse generation in our nation’s history, Gen Z adults also identify as LGBTQ at much higher rates than older Americans,” the PRRI poll found.
All this suggests younger voters are eager to put use their time and money in furtherance of their values — on- and off-line: “Gen Z adults are notably more likely than older generations to have volunteered for a group or cause (30% vs. 24% or less) or attended a public rally or demonstration in person (15% vs. 8% or less).”
None of this is good news for a Republican Party whose base tries to eradicate the division between church and state, wants to ban abortion, targets LGBTQ youths, dismisses climate change as a hoax and opposes race-based affirmative and student loan forgiveness.
In that regard, sending Kamala Harris, the first Black and first female vice president, to college campuses to talk about guns, abortion, the environment and other issues looks like a smart move.
(Harris’s message that voters’ “freedom” is at stake provides a helpful contrast to a party wanting to impose its religious views on the rest of us.)
If younger voters come to see 2024 as a battle for an inclusive and free America, not merely another partisan election, perhaps they will turn out in great enough numbers to defeat the MAGA threat.
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That’s an ambitious claim.
*anyone with functioning brain cells might be the MAGA movement’s undoing
I’m still voting. They said if my generation got out to vote it would change everything. I don’t see why that’s different today, not that many of us are gone, and attrition hasn’t sent too many to the right, I strongly believe my generations politik power is as strong as it ever was, and I’m firmly aligned with Gen z. They need our support as much as we need theirs. Don’t get complacent thinking the next generation will solve the problems.
Of course you have to vote. It doesn’t matter how big of a demographic shift there is, if you don’t vote it won’t be represented.
Gen Z is unlikely to show up at the polls. Hell, they can barely show up at work in the morning.
the fuck boomer shit is this
That’s what I hear from all the boomers I talk to.
“Nobody wanna work anymore.”
But I always feel like citation is needed when they say that. Because there are plenty of gen Z folks all around me when I go to work. So who are they talking about?
Same people they’ve been talking about for as long as we’ve been printing news. “Nobody wants to work anymore” is the oldest circle jerk.
Nobody ever wanted to work, that is why you convince them using money.
what a crock of shit, who gives a toss about where the vote’s going when both parties are the same thing, owned by the same people, and votes aren’t even counted lol
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you follow your party-owners like a good slave who knows not to rebel against invented law, who is blinded to the glory of natural law, and people like you are the reason such conditions are brought upon the world :)
Oh moron. “Natural law” is what we choose to follow. I will have more, and smarter, children than your coal-eating boiled oat flesh can create.
Your last grasp at relevance is by proclaiming thought as absurd, yet you use the very tools we all built and agreed upon to visit absurdity upon us, your fellow caretakers.
You will be forgotten, and echoes of your damaged code depriving your one or two generations of progeny of happiness for as you watch.
natural law is not chosen, it pre-exists everything, and considering you seem to lack any inheritable intellect, i can tell that my kids will probably be the ones having to put up with the half-brained offspring of your kind, regardless, i have nothing to fear against people who cant even understand basic logic, you could be outwitted by a bent sickle
Hahaha, who reasoned through the physics and utility behind and beyond the sickle? My kids, myself, maybe your kids, but certainly not you.
We builders and engineers will set the world right, as we always have in spite of drooling destructors like you. Notice your love of potential pain and misery, merely discussing and quietly grinning about it. You are the devil.
my ancestors, armed with knowledge of the natural world, created the truest religion, practically all relevant inventions between 600BC and 0AD, and have survived for over 3000 years due to their understanding of natural law, yours are american :)
600 years? That’s so long to make such basic tooling. As expected, you’ve always advertised your weakness as your biggest strengths. Nothing changes, but the years.
When you try to take control again, as incessant low-quality creatures do, we will again excise you.
Careful. You might cut yourself on all the edge you’re lording.
cry harder, i do oblige you to try out the whole logical processing thing for once, though :)
Lol ok, little guy…
Misinformation. Both parties are not the same and votes ARE counted. A Clinton/Biden Supreme court would NEVER have elimimated Roe.
you’re incorrect and you fall rather easily into the trap of genuinely believing that democracy exists, especially in america, one of the nations with the longest list of known (and unknown) human rights violations in history
Oh, I’m not arguing that at all. I’m saying that when it comes to many issues, both sides are NOT the same.
Democrats aren’t trying to take away health care rights. Republicans are.
Republicans aren’t trying to take away gun rights, Democrats are.
Are both sides servicing corporate masters? Sure they are, but that doesn’t make them the same corporate masters.
This is best explained, honest to god, by an Eddie Murphy movie of all things:
