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Yeah, because it couldn’t possibly be that Americans are opposed to genocide.
For fuck’s sake, Pelosi. Witch hunts are supposed to be a Republican thing.
wouldn’t be the first time Russia has done something like this, that said, how about we stop supporting genocide and it won’t matter
Wouldn’t be the first time democrats have done this, either.
The best propaganda in the world is the truth. I wouldn’t even be surprised if the Russians were signal boosting Palestinians in some way. Doesn’t mean we should keep supporting a genocide though. Israel fucked up.
They’re absolutely boosting Palestinians. Russia wants to prove to the world that Israel is carrying out a genocide, and that Israel/US are heavily leaning on international entities to delay any meaningful condemnation from bodies like the ICJ or UN. Russia wants to highlight the moral hypocrisy of the West, and prove that Palestinians are being exterminated
This is not because Russia cares about human rights. Rather it is because they want to paint the United States/The West as obvious hypocrites with no moral standing. Which will enable Russia to commit larger atrocities in Ukraine without meaningful rebuke. After all, these same international agencies permitted the genocide in Gaza, who are they now to condemn Russia when they massacre an entire Ukrainian city? It also will provide cover for China’s invasion of Taiwan, and their further suppression of Uyghurs in NW China.
Israel is certainly engaging in genocide against Palestinian. But this crime, and the US’ whitewashing of it, will be used by Russia/China as cover to carry out their own escalated human rights abuses. And by that time, the US will have lost its moral leadership in the world and Western international institutions will have similarly been shown to be utterly useless puppets of America. Which is all a very bad thing for the weak and non-nuclear peoples of the world
Yeah, but that was always going to happen. Using it to silence protest is… Maddening.
She gets intelligence briefings and does not interact with normal people. So I’m sure that genuinely colors her perception of reality on this matter. Plus she’s old and has never lived in a time where Americans oppose Israel to this extent - so of course she thinks it’s all astroturfed rather than being genuine
Doesn’t excuse her behavior, obviously. But there is a plausible explanation for it aside from her being evil (which she is, but other factors are also at play here)
While it’s all certainly Americans, and we don’t like genocides, she is correct in assuming that Putin wants Trump to win, and this would be an effective way to further that goal.
Don’t forget Putin was KGB.
I imagine it’s more through social media manipulation and misinformation than FSB funding, I suppose I could be wrong. By way of example, though, how many times have you heard that white phosphorous is banned, even though that’s not exactly true?
FSB is using social media among other things. Active Measures is one of primary ways how they operated and they adapted it well to the Internet age.
Have you thought how come that antivaxx people also have very pro Russia anti EU, anti UN anti NATO views?
Covid was a great catalyst in spreading disinformation.
Same thing with far right people in US and Europe, how come their views are mostly pro Russia and how come they greatly overlap with antivaxx?
I wanted you to be wrong, but you’re right.
Thanks for providing a link.
I’ve honestly just stopped doing that explainer because Israel is using it illegally.
True. But the propaganda line doesn’t acknowledge the distinction, and just tries to spread the idea that the US does not care about international law, which is false.
Ahhh yes. I had someone run that with landmines too. According to them we can’t get in compliance with international law until we de-mine the Korean DMZ…
Landmines are also not banned. There’s a lot of subtly misleading bullshit on the internet.
There is a section on them that most of the world has signed. It’s basically the US, Russia, and China that haven’t signed.
It’s a little more complicated than that, because there are many different kinds of landmines. Nobody bans them all.
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That sounds like what a Russian propagandian would say.
If that’s not a word, it should be a word. Lets also rename the continent to Propagandia while we are at it.
Imagine how out-of-touch you have to be to represent San Francisco and not realize sincere antiwar protesters exist.
Here is my completely nonpartisan hot take. We should pass a constitutional amendment that ties the maximum age to hold public office (including judges) to the Social Security “Normal Retirement Age” at the time of passing. That is currently 67 years old. You can do whatever you want past 67, but you can’t hold public office.
Do you want them to make the retirements age 90? I’d rather not give those assholes a perverse incentive to reduce benefits.
I did state “at time of passage” but we might as well say “at time of drafting” to avoid shenanigans.
In a lot of a states you can bring forward laws to ballots that amend the state constitutions with enough public signatures. I think in our modern day lack of a useful government officials we should use this tool far more often to attempt to ensure a healthier government.
What difference will that make? Also, what happens if/when life extension/age reversal becomes an everyday thing? Government regulations often move at a glacial pace, why fix something in place now that will be hard to remove when it’s completely irrelevant. We are even still saddled with the stupid EC and the idea that states all get 2 senators, no matter their population size. How long would it take to remove a rule like this that quickly becomes obviously ridiculous in the near future?
Young politicians will always have an incentive to consider raising the age limit. This isn’t a system that leads to irreversible change when and if the time arises where the limit is no longer appropriate.
She represents San Francisco’s billionaires. She has nothing to do with people making median incomes.
So in her world, support for Israel is a universally shared opinion
Having said that, it is in Russias interest to highlight the very real genocide in Gaza. By demonstrating the obvious hypocrisy of the Western “rules-based” order, they will make it easier for Russia to commit further atrocities in Ukraine. And for China to invade Taiwan. And America’s ability to credibly resist those efforts will be diminished - after all, the US enabled Israel’s genocide of the Palestinians despite international condemnation, so who is America now to object to the murder of Ukrainians or the annexation of Taiwan?
Aren’t you actually proving her point?
You’re saying that among protesters there are sincere ones.
A call for investigation means that there is a belief that among sincere ones there are also insincere ones trying to spin shit up.
Edit: of course downvotes. It isn’t even a secret https://www.mei.edu/publications/essential-questions-about-russia-hamas-link-evidence-and-its-implications
It’s an easy way to silence people you don’t want to hear. Someone who believes there’s sincerity in the sentiment doesn’t start off with: “For them to call for a ceasefire is Mr Putin’s message. Make no mistake. This is directly connected to what he would like to see.”
It doesn’t really matter what you justify it with afterward, you’re still essentially saying opposing “war” in Gaza is supporting Putin.
It also implies that anti-war protesting is something that is problematic and should be looked into. Or, rather than being pro-Palestine is wrong, and that it’s a sentiment that has to be caused by foreign influence.
You’re assuming that all pro-Palestine/Hamas protesting is anti-war, and not just anti-jew.
It’s no secret that there are corrupt politicians either. I think we should investigate this ghoul and her financial ties to supporting genocide first before we use the secret police on citizens expressing a desire for peace.
Enough with the Hamas sideshow bullshit. You don’t have to be a Hamas supporter to be upset that Israel is indiscriminately killing Palestinians. At this point, anything Hamas did on 10/7 pales in comparison to Israel’s response.
If she was calling for both pro-Palestine and pro-Israel protest groups to be investigated for potential monetary ties to Russia, then I’d consider her claim to be more valid.
Sure, but lets also investigate the House for financial ties to billionaires.
…and Russia, probably.
And investigate both sides - Russia will support both extremes in any issue that causes unrest in Western democracies. So investigating only one side is a useful propaganda tool but kind of misses the mark.
Financial ties? She is a billionaire.
Man, these fuckers really fucking hate their base.
Vietnam war all over
“Foreign agents are brainwashing our youth to be against the war”
“Hey guys, we need a surefire way to make our base stay home instead of vote when we have a literal fascist running who will end the Republic if he’s allowed to win!”
Nancy: “Say no more fam, I got this.”
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Weird way to say secure Trump’s victory.
A vote for a third party is a vote for Trump. Don’t be an idiot
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Every vote that Biden loses to a third party means Trump has a better chance of winning the state. Unless you are voting in a pure Blue state like NY,CA, etc or a pure Red state like FL, OH, etc then you are giving Trumptard a better chance to win by not voting for Biden
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Then Biden and the people who elected him in the primaries should do some self reflection.
Contrary to popular opinion on this site, most Americans don’t support a cease fire in Israel. I don’t either. Not until Hamas is gone
Then find the votes you need elsewhere.
What the fuck, Nancy???
She’s been woefully out of touch on a lot of things for at least a decade at this point
We’ve gotten to the point that America is like one of those sci-fi dystopia movies where the council of elders rules the nation, kept alive artificially while the people starve.
More like a mr house from fallout new Vegas. A wealthy libertarian capitalist ruling over his lessers while being artificially kept alive.
I see it more like a cyber punk dystopia where mega corporations rule over everything and can do whatever the fuck they want.
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The only reason Israel courts Russia is to let them bomb Syria without Russians shooting them down. Russia constantly calls everyone Nazis. No one in Israel actually likes them
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Anything to not have to stop a genocide.
Or at least stop supporting it.
Wish I was getting paid to support Palestine.
Yeah, pretty sure the money is on the other side.
This cunt needs to go the fuck away.
Let’s concede that the people organizing protests are receiving money from Russia. Is that actually a criminal matter? Apparently Trump’s campaign working with Russia wasn’t.
It’s only legal when it’s Israel doing it.
Dividing the party sounds like a Russian ploy. Can we investigate her first?
Netanyahu has much to gain from a Trump presidency too.
Shouldn’t we instead be investigating the politicians currently in office that we have a really good reason to believe have a monetary tie to Russia and have a mountain of evidence of being coerced or controlled by them due to said politicians’ past actions (going to a secret meeting to Moscow on July 4th, ect)?
Yep, but we won’t, because they’re paying people to pose as leftists supporting Palestine in order to get all the others riled up on that cause using half truths. This drives the attention towards the left (the primary intention of Right Wing propaganda). We can’t ever change this until people stop being afraid to admit the truth about the Right Wing.
No, no, no. We have to capitulate to them.
