Wow, that’s a bold claim if anything. First time seeing a Pop!_OS-denier, I assume you also deny the existence of COSMIC? And these are just some of the work done done by System76 only.

To clarify, they do jack shit to add major hardware support (etc). This seems like a disingenuous response.

Pop isn’t adding anything much to Linux; it’s yet another Debian derivative by way of Ubuntu. Take this from me as a system admin who has supported (and used) Pop, and has had to dig into the internals and submit bugs. Cosmic is cool and all, but it’s mostly just eye candy for GNOME at the end of the day. System76 also seem to still be developing working with other people skills.

That’s fine, if that’s what you want. There’s nothing inherently wrong with using Pop.

Tuxedo still haven’t as far as I’m aware released ITE829x Linux drivers (in an upstreamable form) for example; I had to reverse engineer the damned chip.

Clevo hardware lacks a lot of the polish that you just quietly get from a major manufacturer.

I for one love my desktop 3700x and 3060ti mobile stuffed into a laptop chassis. No compromises were made on this hardware.

Hmm…, very interesting! I’m totally oblivious of the existence of such a thing. If that is your benchmark, then I can actually understand what you meant with your earlier claim. Please feel free to enlighten me on how this works 😊.

Sorry, the 3060ti was conflating my desktop; it’s literally a 2060 which is far worse in terms of termals and power.

The Clevo NH58AD can be specced with a Ryzen 7 3700X and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060. I have one. There are definitely trade-offs and for some reason the damned thing is quite unstable with 3200MHz RAM even though it’s explicitly supported.

I have this laptop. I look at the Linux offerings from these manufacturers. I contribute to them. In my professional life I’ve managed fleets of Laptops from major manufacturers (particularly the business-y lines), with some rebadged Clevos (for some reason) at the mix. I am speaking from experience with the hardware here.

I actually have another previous gen Intel one, too - it has some interesting design choices.

I’m not saying that it’s all bad, and you seem to be taking this as something of a personal attack.

It’s fine to like these companies. I want them to succeed, but Clevo as an ODM tend to produce products that lack the polish of a comparable (say) Dell, and don’t achieve the same volume of sales as a major manufacturer to achieve lower costs through increased volume (etc) - the cost savings have to come from somewhere and often that’s the firmware, material design, and design quality.

These products are fine, don’t pretend that they’re perfect though, you’re doing them a disservice.