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tintory@lemm.ee to World News@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago

China courts Germany's far-right populist AfD

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China courts Germany's far-right populist AfD

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tintory@lemm.ee to World News@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago
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China courts Germany's far-right populist AfD – DW – 08/11/2023
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The far-right populist Alternative for Germany party rejects a values-based foreign policy, just as much as it rejects NATO and the US. That approach has attracted the attention of Beijing.
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    .ml stands for Marxist-Leninist so for some reason there is generally a lot of praise for China which is closer to fascism than either of those idealogies.

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      I am once again asking liberals to learn that fascism doesn’t mean “a thing I don’t like”

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        It’s authoritarian with large amounts of state capitalism combined with high amounts of nationalism. That sure as shit is not communist.

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          Fascist states famously sold off large amounts of state assets to capitalists. Nazi Germany even inspired a new word for this, called “privatization” because they did it so much

          It’s okay to not have opinions on things you don’t know. Learn so that you can create informed opinions

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            Quite the opposite for Nazi Germany for the most part. The corporations became a central part of the state. The alternative name that Mussolini coined for fascism was corporatism for that very reason.

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              Just showing off your ignorance like your proud of it

              The nazis were all about privatization, read a damn book

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                you’re

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                  Well, they are right. Fascism was very much predicated on state enforced privatization. That’s what ‘Corporatism’ means. A political ideology where society is organized like a body - corpus - and each part is sovereign. Private Companies would thereafter be the lords of their respective sectors. Fascism isn’t defined by close relations between the Private and the Public sectors because that’s actually true for all forms of industrialized societies. Even and in many ways especially the early adopters of industrialization. British free trade ideology was limited to the United Kingdom, while India was run as a resource and tax farming colony for the benefits of British Capital. The State, with its armies and political supremacy, is no less important there.

                  This is an important distinction to be made because Fascism was invented to enforce social harmony in face of class struggle. It is meant to subsume all political discourse of clashing interests between bosses, employees, landlords, farmers, urban workers, service workers, and so on into the body of the nation. In a fascist society you’re not supposed to question the political order, as, for an example, bankers know best about the banking system which is why the State enforces their rights and power over their employees, and ensures that as much economic power is privatly held as possible.

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                    Privatization is absolutely NOT what corporatism means.

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                  Damn you really got him kind gentlesir with this scathing correction, I tip my fedora to you

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              this is historically illiterate. the term privatization was coined specifically to describe what the Nazis were doing in Germany.

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                Nonsense.

                • silent_water [she/her]@hexbear.net
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                  https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jep.20.3.187

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              “In return for business assistance, the Nazis hastened to give evidence of their good will by restoring to private capitalism a number of monopolies held or controlled by the state."

              In other words, the Nazis specifically took certain businesses that were formerly nationalized and then privatized them.

              For further reading:

              • Retrospectives The Coining of “Privatization” and Germany’s National Socialist Party - Article from Journal of Economic Perspectives
              • Against the mainstream: Nazi privatization in 1930s Germany - Research paper from the University of Barcelona
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                Corporatism where the employers play a central role in the running of the state was a foundation of fascism.

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                  If you wish to argue against the author’s findings, you can contact gbel@ub.edu.

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                    The author does not delve into corporatism.

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              Sweety, Albert Speer literally said that NAZI Germany was “an daughter company of IG Farben”.

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              You “study history” off of youtube don’t you?

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                Not in the least. Studied in Germany.

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          I am once again asking liberals to learn that words in general have meaning beyond synonyms for “good” and “bad”.

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          Good lord you butchered each and every single term you used in this comment.

          Did you ever have a period in your life where you just shut up and listened until you felt you understood what was going on? It doesn’t appear to be the case from the outside.

          Now that you’re in a community that’s liberated from the US-centric echo chamber you just came from no more than a month ago, it’s a very good opportunity to start now!

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      China which is closer to fascism

      China is a marxist-leninist state. You are politically illiterate.

      Fascism is when The Internationale is the closing song of your 100 year celebrations.

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        LOL

        Sure, friend. Marxist-Leninist states generally do not have the horrible wealth disparity that China has.

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          What do ML states “generally” look like? Which are comparable to China?

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            Currently I would probably say Cuba. China is a mix of market and state capitalism. Very little of it is communist in anything more than name.

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          There’s no point. You’ve awoken the hexbear army now.

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            oooh this is a great addition to our site taglines, thank you

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              Ha ha no problem.

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            deleted by creator

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              countdown

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                deleted by creator

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                  PIGPOOPBALLS

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            • Civility [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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              😔

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      frothingfash speech-l

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      no it doesn’t lol

      .ml is the country code for Mali where the developers are from lmfao

      just lies on lies

      Edit: lmao this may not have been true hol up

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        Legend has it that u/dessalines is Assimi Goita himself

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        Ah yes. There is a massive Malian presence on Lemmy and tons of Mali related posts. /s

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          Mali gives (gave?) out .ml domains for free, which is why it was chosen

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            Actually? I thought it was because Marxist-Leninist. Domains are like ten bucks a year

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              It’s a coincidence

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      It is whild how if you don’t care what words mean you can out them in any order you like.

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        Seriously. Apparently people do not care what Marxist-Leninist means and are stupidly ascribing it to China.

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          wonder-who-thats-for

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      That, I had no idea about. The .ml thing. Makes sense and good to know.

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        That is false, .ml is the country code for Mali where the developers are from lmfao

        just lies on lies

        edit: hol’ up I may have been told a fib and repeated it, unverified

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          That being said, they are marxists lenin-laugh

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          .ml is the code for us military operations. Just send them your classified files, it’s cool.

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            garf-troll

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