• @Nobody@lemmy.world
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      1111 months ago

      It’s almost as though Americans have been driven into arbitrary camps that scream at each other over things that don’t matter while The Powers That Be protect the status quo at all costs.

      • @AshMan85@lemmy.world
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        That’s what the powers at be want. Us to be too busy fighting each other (right and the left) so don’t we don’t blame oligarchs and their puppets.

      • ihavenopeopleskills
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        211 months ago

        Divide and conquer. One of the oldest tricks in the book.

        Tribalism has a great place in finding us community and support. That having been said, we must never, EVER lose sight of what is right and what is wrong.

  • teft
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    Aren’t these the same guys who use to say “If you’ve got nothing to hide, you’ve got nothing to fear.”?

    • Alien Nathan Edward
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      911 months ago

      I’ve heard a lot of people say “If you’ve got nothing to hide you’ve got nothing to fear” but not one of them is willing to give me their email and social media passwords so I can publish the contents.

    • ihavenopeopleskills
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      It’s one of those things that’s OK until it isn’t.

      We neocons, along with the DNC, lost our minds in the wake of 9/11. We’ve since reevaluated the implications of much of what we greenlit back then. Sadly, at this point it’s too little, too late.

      • be_excellent_to_each_other
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        I’ve literally never seen someone self-identify as a neocon before. I don’t intend that as a loaded statement if it sounds that way; I’m legitimately surprised.

  • Chainweasel
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    6911 months ago

    They’ll still say Biden did it, even if they watched them vote in person it wouldn’t change their minds.

    • @Telorand@reddthat.com
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      Even if somebody pressed them on it, all they have to do is give a lie that appears credible.

      Repubs: “Biden forced our hands in a secret meeting.”

      Biden: “No, I didn’t.”

      Repubs: “Yes you did. It’s your word against ours, and we already know Dems are lying cheaters, so…”

      They don’t have to engage in good faith, because they aren’t interested in the truth.

      • @beebarfbadger@lemmy.world
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        He denies it? Proof of his guilt.

        He doesn’t deny it? Proof of his guilt.

        He shows proof that they are lying out of their asses? Proof of the conspiracy covering up the truth.

        Nobody else repeats their lies? Proof that everybody else is in on the conspiracy.

    • @NightAuthor@lemmy.world
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      4711 months ago

      No… no no no to this type of rhetoric. If law enforcement wants to spy on an American, they should be required to prove to a judge they have a very good reason and get a warrant for that shit.

      • monotremata
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        Well, okay, but we’re gonna create our own set of secret judges so nobody can keep an eye on what we’re doing. This is about us being able to watch you, not the other way around. --the intelligence agencies

        • @SinningStromgald@lemmy.world
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          And we won’t actually LOOK at anything, with our eyes, until we need to but we will collect EVERYTHING on EVERYONE…ALL THE TIME. But since we aren’t “looking” it’s not spying. - also intelligence agencies

        • ihavenopeopleskills
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          And this is why security and privacy practices are so important. It’s not important until it is.

      • be_excellent_to_each_other
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        I agree, but that changes nothing about why maga is upset, and I’m quite sure concern that their plans for a Republican dictatorship might be further threatened is a big component of why.

    • Billiam
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      Can’t imagine why they’d be mad about the FBI spying on self-admitted domestic terrorists.

    • Alien Nathan Edward
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      311 months ago

      this isn’t for MAGA. MAGA leaves a trail of probable cause all over the internet. they livestream themselves kicking in doors at the capitol and bear spraying cops. this is for spying on normal people who’ve done nothing wrong but inconvenience the ruling class in some way or another.

    • ihavenopeopleskills
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      Until MAGA isn’t the one. Until it’s somebody else, like a pro-Palestinian group or a gun control group.

    • @Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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      111 months ago

      As though law enforcement will use this against their MAGA drinking buddies.

      This will be used for drug enforcement. When it fails to do what they’re claiming it will right now, they’ll say that they need greater power to violate everyone’s rights. And then use it for drug enforcement.

  • solarzones
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    Crazy how a lot of people are JUST starting to care about being spied on now. Some people may not even know about the bill at this point.

  • @unreasonabro@lemmy.world
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    are the rednecks finally realizing nobody is on their side, because they aren’t a side? Stupidity isnt a side, guys

    in all the games, you are not playing

  • AutoTL;DRB
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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    MAGA Republicans are raging over GOP lawmakers aiding the passage of a provision of this year’s National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) that may allow the FBI to “spy” on Americans.

    While the $886 billion bill was notably approved without the inclusion of several culture war amendments that many hard-right Republicans had demanded, it did include the temporary reauthorization of a controversial provision known as Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

    While a selection of lawmakers from across the political spectrum have opposed Section 702 over concerns of privacy and potential abuses of power, a number of MAGA Republicans railed against reauthorization of the measure due to the FBI having surveilled a Trump 2016 campaign aide using unrelated FISA warrants.

    “Here is a list of 147 @HouseGOP members who just voted YES on the NDAA without removing funding for the unconstitutional FISA courts,” posted pro-Trump conspiracy theorist and former congressional candidate Laura Loomer.

    “147 Republicans just voted to reauthorize the FISA 702 program that was used to illegally spy on President Trump,” posted right-wing commentator Rogan O’Handley, also known as DC Draino.

    The Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) recommended that its members vote “no” this week because the bill “contains a reauthorization of surveillance authorities routinely used against Americans in violation of the Constitutional right to privacy.”


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